I have a text from the imamism dogma that states that the status of an imam (in the imamist creed) is higher than the one of a messenger.
so is that true ? that imamist think that ?
i dont know what imamism is, but im guessing its slang for shia?
speaking on behalf of atha’ashari shias, I can say that there is no basis in our sect for saying so. what we do believe is
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imams were representatives of the prophet and assurance that Muslims had someone to offer the “Islamic” interpretation of Islam.
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since Imams were representatives of Islam their sunnah and fatawa were free of fault and can also be cited for Islamic basis.
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Islam was complete the day the ayah was revealed..“alyom akmaltu lakum dinukum…”. Nobody can add anything to what was revealed till that point without changing Islam. Any new rules/requirements that are added, therefore, must have Quranic/Sunnah basis.
I’m sure you know that Al-Azhar does recognise ithna ashar school of law as a valid fifth school?
that said, there are a number of unfortunately misguided people, particularly the more popular mulley who go too far in their reverence for the imams, especially Imam Ali. In my 15 odd years since i actually started paying to preachers in majalis..theres been one crazy guy from Lebanon who actually went so far as to say that Ali is being referred to in the Quran in a number of places where Allah is mentioned. He also said that God revealed things to him.
Suffice to say, we have our share of kooks, most of whome are suppressed eventually. That one certainly wasnt invited back.
EDIT: i guess i might not sufficiently be versed in my knowledge. Please go through www.al-shia.com the website of seestani…one of the most respected shia scholars today. And please do inform me if im wrong somewhere. regards.
EDIT2: i made a mistake. itha ashari faith was recognised by the head of al-azhar as a legitimate interpretation of Islam in a fatwa issued in 1959, but it has not been adopted by al-azhar officially.
http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/p.php?p=shia’&url=Introduction
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i Islam was complete the day the ayah was revealed.."alyom akmaltu lakum dinukum...". Nobody can add anything to what was revealed till that point without changing Islam. Any new rules/requirements that are added, therefore, must have Quranic/Sunnah basis.
Sir
Is this a puzzle or something. Care to explain further.
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*Originally posted by ravage: *
imams were representatives of the prophet and assurance that Muslims had someone to offer the "Islamic" interpretation of Islam.
To vague.
So Imamism is also like succession. Just like kingship.
and Why Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) was not given an heir to
his(SAW) Islamic “throne”. So Muslims could be assured of
Islamic"Islamic Interpretations" of Koran and Sunnah.
take care
plz don’t curse me…
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
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*Originally posted by ravage: *
i Islam was complete the day the ayah was revealed.."alyom akmaltu lakum dinukum...". Nobody can add anything to what was revealed till that point without changing Islam. Any new rules/requirements that are added, therefore, must have Quranic/Sunnah basis.
Sir
Is this a puzzle or something. Care to explain further.
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Original Set of Rules:
A => B
B => C
C => D
Valid Inference from these rules:
A => D
Nothing new added, but it is a new rule.
View Islam till that aya as that original set. Everything a Shia should follow is either in the first class of rules, or the second. We cannot, by ourselves, agree that C => A.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
So Imamism is also like succession. Just like kingship.
and Why Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) was not given an heir to
his(SAW) Islamic "throne". So Muslims could be assured of
Islamic"Islamic Interpretations" of Koran and Sunnah.
take care
plz don't curse me....
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Im afraid you have me confused with someone else. I havent cursed anyone on this forum..yet.
I can explain to the best of my ability, but neither vouch for correctness nor completeness, since I am a poor poor muslim in terms of knowledge.
Nevertheless, whereas succession might be similar in some terms to kingship, it isnt the same. Likewise, whereas the Prophet was blessed with Hazrat Fatima, and grandchildren through her, he wasnt blessed with male child to survive him. Kingship is not an Islamic concept, and therefore the concept of progeny necessarily passing through the male child is also alien, but there is some precedent for God's mission to pass through lineage.
Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran above all people, Offspring, one of the other: And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. Holy Qur'an (3:33-34)
"Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. Holy Qur'an (2:128)
best i can do at this point..
Vol 9, Book 88. Afflictions And The End Of The World. Hadith 227.
Narrated By Nafi' : When the people of Medina dethroned Yazid bin Muawiya, Ibn 'Umar gathered his special friends and children and said, "I heard the Prophet saying, 'A flag will be fixed for every betrayer on the Day of Resurrection,' and we have given the oath of allegiance to this person (Yazid) in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle and I do not know of anything more faithless than fighting a person who has been given the oath of allegiance in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle , and if ever I learn that any person among you has agreed to dethrone Yazid, by giving the oath of allegiance (to somebody else) then there will be separation between him and me."
Abdullah ibn Umar began calling the people to payallegiance to Yazid, preventing them from assisting Imam Husayn (a.s.)! This had been recorded by al-Bukhari (vol.IX, the book of riots, chapter:if he said anything before the folk'), and in musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal(vol.II, p.48) [This narration was conveyed by Naafi`].
*Is this a puzzle or something. Care to explain further. *
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Likewise, whereas the Prophet was blessed with Hazrat Fatima, and grandchildren through her, he wasnt blessed with male child to survive him. Kingship is not an Islamic concept, and therefore the concept of progeny necessarily passing through the male child is also alien, but there is some precedent for God's mission to pass through lineage.
Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran above all people, Offspring, one of the other: And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. Holy Qur'an (3:33-34)
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First part: Why he(SAW) was not blessed with male child.
Second part:I have heard this ayat in Majlis before. Where
the person tried his best to talk about All Prophets and suddenly
start to talk about Imams.As If trying to say that is this from koran too.
So were Imams Like Prophets or Angels or better than them.
This Ayat talks about Prophets and their lineage. No where does it
talk abouts Imams or name any Imam?
Can you please, paste the tafsir of this ayat from your source.
more tabaara for you.
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*Originally posted by ravage: *
Original Set of Rules:
A => B
B => C
C => D
Valid Inference from these rules:
A => D
Nothing new added, but it is a new rule.
View Islam till that aya as that original set. Everything a Shia should follow is either in the first class of rules, or the second. We cannot, by ourselves, agree that C => A. 
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Mohammed (Salla Allaah Aleihi Wasallam) is not the father of any man among you , but he is the messenger of Allaah , and the last (end) of the prophets. ( Qua’ran :33 :40)
This day, I have perfected your religion for you , and completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Al-Islam as your Deen. ( Qura’an 
30)
Say ( O Mohammed ) ‘O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of Allaah – to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. La illah illa Huwa(non has the Wright to be worshipped but He.); It is He who gives life and causes death. So believe in Alaahh and His messenger (Mohammed) , the prophet who can neither read nor write , who believes in Allaah and His words , and follow him so that you may be guided .(Qura’an 7:158)
please, kindly point where is it written that the torch of Islam
has been passed to kinship…
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Yeah. More barakaats for you too.
here.. www.al-shia.com
website of seestani, jiski probably 2nd highest following hey in terms of taqlid. it’ll probably answer all of your questions. i just cant spend more time looking up answers for you..
theres also a link where you can email the guy questions about what you dont understand. he does reply..though typically not before a month or so..
if you’re looking for stuff to comment on…this is a much more credible shia website.
regards.
Ooops. I forgot to add the following tags in my above post. 
[sarcasm] [/secasm]
Well thanx anyways for the Barakahs.
But what that too (above) means. Were you sending Barakahs on inuit too or are you sending tabaraahs on me too.
one word: Moratorium.