[Split]Rise of the Taliban

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What was Taliban ?

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[Split]Rise of the Taliban

Taliban were given birth by a joint effort of USA/Saudi Arabia/ and Pakistan was the funnel of funds because USA did not want to be seen as the sole financier for their rise or else Russian comrades would be very upset and shift their attention to USA instead of Afghanistan.

Overtime Pakistan has had greater influence over Taliban because USA left the region to be without any responsibility to account for the funds or weapons which were distributed to the then-called and oh-so-admired "Mujahideen". Pakistan has been cornered in a position where it could not abandon them because of the flow of refugees from Afghanistan, a number of who may have been ex-mujahideen.

Pakistan got taken for a ride then, and it's being taken for a ride now.

But, the topic ofcourse is not the rise or fall of Taliban, or who created what. It's rather 'India Shining'.

So lets stay focused. Thanks :D

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Teggy that is typical .... twisting history to suit your needs. Taliban was formed much later by ISI .... the soviets had left from Afghansistan ...

Taliban became active in 1990's and the mujahadin faught with soviets in 1980's ...... i could give you a lesson in Taliban history 101 but will leave that for another "thread".....

will stick to India Shining ..... what do you have to say about India Shining?

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Re: India Shining :-/

I already said I'm happy. I would love to see every Asian nation prosper because this era belongs to Asia.

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You twisted the history yourself.

Same people who were called mujahideen now havepeople infiltrated as taliban.

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Check your facts ...... Mullah Omar / Taliban were nowhere when Soviets were in Afghanistan ... They left Afghanistan in 1989. Soviets were driven out by mujahideens ... some of the leaders were Hekmatiyar and Ahmed Shah Masood ..... Mullah Omar / Taliban were nowhere at that time.

Taliban was formed much later ( soemtime in 1993-94) as US had lost interest in the region after the soviets left. They were used by Pakistan establishment to increase their sphere of influence in Afghansitan. At that time it made a lot of sense to have a group powerfull enough to control the whole of Afghansitan. But then the policies they followed after coming to power were barbaric.

Do you agree with the kind of policies that were followed by Taliban in Afghanistan once they came to power?

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[Split]Rise of the Taliban

Use this thread to talk about how Taliban came to be instead of derailing the other thread, please.

Thanks

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Thanks Teggy ....

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Well little understanding of situation in Afghansitan ..... US, Saudi and Pakistan were supporting the mujahedin in Afghansitan ..... would love to get any reference to Taliban during this period.

As for US supporting mujahideden so that Soviets dont get upset with them ...... that is original .... what do you think the soviets were on dope not to know who was funding the mujahedin.

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History of Taliban from Human Righst Watch

Backgrounder on Afghanistan: History of the War
(Human Rights Watch Backgrounder, October 2001)

The Third Phase: The Taliban’s Conquest of Afghanistan

During this period, the rest of the country was carved up among the various factions, with many mujahidin commanders establishing themselves as local warlords. Humanitarian agencies frequently found their offices stripped, their vehicles hijacked, and their staff threatened.

It was against this background that the Taliban emerged. Former mujahidin who were disillusioned with the chaos that had followed their victory became the nucleus of a movement that coalesced around Mullah Mohammad Omar, a former mujahid from Qandahar province.

The group, many of whom were madrasa (Islamic school) students, called themselves taliban, meaning students. Many others who became core members of the group were commanders in other predominantly Pashtun parties, and former Khalqi PDPA members. Their stated aims were to restore stability and enforce (their interpretation of) Islamic law. They successfully attacked local warlords and soon gained a reputation for military prowess, and acquired an arsenal of captured weaponry.

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There is a documentary on the rise of Taliban. Let me see if i can perhaps upload it or post a link to it. It's very informative. Gives an insight to the Soviet invasion as well as the past-Soviet invasion era.

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Selective copying of information … not once was role of Pakistan mentioned… mind you i am not here to criticise the role of Paksitan establishment. They did what they had to do, but it was later on that they lost the script. Now read the parts you left out

By October 1994 the movement had attracted the support of Pakistan, which saw in the Taliban a way to secure trade routes to Central Asia and establish a government in Kabul friendly to its interests. Pakistani traders who had long sought a secure route to send their goods to Central Asia quickly became some of the Taliban’s strongest financial backers. In September 1995, the Taliban took control of Herat, thereby cutting off the land route connecting the Islamic State of Afghanistan with Iran. The Taliban’s innovative use of mobile warfare appeared to indicate that Pakistan had provided vital assistance for the capture of Herat

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err...Read your post #6 then see what the following states from HRW

It was against this background that the Taliban emerged. Former mujahidin who were disillusioned with the chaos that had followed their victory became the nucleus of a movement that coalesced around Mullah Mohammad Omar, a former mujahid from Qandahar province.

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Just Mullah Omer is not taliban As I wrote earlier many new people joined old people and called it taliban movement. You are arguing what is called a fruit now when seed actually was planted long before.

No need to try to run away from what stimulated this discussion.

India started and trained LTTE and it became a internationally known terrorist organization...

I see this tactice too often by Indians....if cornered in an argument..they start screaming in desperation...you too are bad!..I know you too are sinful!!!!.and what about you? And why you do bad things...!

.........all sort of ways to run from actual topic.

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Since you give credibility to HRW reports i will quote from them only …
Read this report … but i will highlight some important parts

Crisis of Impunity - Pakistan’s Support Of The Taliban

[FONT=Times New Roman]The subsequent shift to the Taliban also reflected changes in Pakistan’s domestic politics. Newly elected in 1993, Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto sought to move away from Hikmatyar and the ISI and find new ways to open trade routes to Central Asia.92 Under pressure from the U.S. after a Pakistan-backed group kidnapped and murdered Western tourists in Indian-controlled Kashmir, the government also sought to put some political distance between itself and the war in Afghanistan.93
[FONT=Times New Roman]Support for the Taliban under Bhutto resided mainly in the interior ministry, according to some analysts. According to Ahmed Rashid, Bhutto’s interior minister, Gen. Naseerullah Babar, created the Afghan Trade Development Cell in the ministry ostensibly to promote trade routes to Central Asia but also to provide the Taliban with funds. Moreover, says Rashid, the state-owned Pakistan Telecommunications Corporation set up a telephone network for the Taliban; the public works department repaired roads and provided electricity; the paramilitary Frontier Corps, a part of the interior ministry, set up a wireless network for Taliban commanders; the Civil Aviation Authority repaired Qandahar airport and Taliban fighter jets; and Radio Pakistan provided technical support to the Taliban’s official radio service, Radio Shariat.94
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On several occasions between 1995 and 1999, the Taliban’s military skills improved abruptly on the eve of particularly pivotal battles, and in one case, declined just as abruptly after a credible threat of intervention was made by an outside power. During its offensives in 1995 against Herat and in 1996 against Kabul, for example, the Taliban suffered heavy losses after mounting attacks against veteran government forces. Initial defeats were followed by a period of quiet; then Taliban troops mounted new attacks, displaying capabilities that had been conspicuously lacking before. At Herat in April 1995, a 6,000-man Taliban army was defeated by government troops after it ran short of ammunition and other logistical support; the rout was such that some analysts predicted that the Taliban phenomenon had run its course.107 Instead, after retraining and refitting, in August 1995 Taliban troops retreating in the face of an offensive by government troops suddenly counterattacked, ambushing the government’s spearhead forces while mobile units mounted in 4x4 pickup trucks outflanked the government army and cut the roads connecting it with its rear-area supply depots. Retreating government units tried and failed to establish a defensive line as Taliban units in pickup trucks-many armed with antiaircraft cannon and rocket launchers-repeatedly outflanked the new positions and attacked from the rear, leaving the paved roads at will and driving their vehicles across open ground and rugged, hilly terrain. The pickup trucks, whose delivery was facilitated by Pakistan, introduced a kind of mobile warfare that had not been seen in the fighting before.108

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Read the Pakistani involvement with taliban above .... so you are saying that talibans are not a terrorist organisation..... what world are you living in !!!!!

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Well i am not a Pakistani that i will surrender .... i can scream at least :D

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Do you need reading comprehension class. Where did I say they are not terrorist organization?

I said LTTE is also a terrorist organization funded and started by India. This was the original topic of discussion.

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Yes scream wil lies coming out.

That joke which I made must have been a good one to have long lasting effect.:D

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Seems like you run out of arguments and go in circles… Let me cut and paste from your post #6

** Check your facts … Mullah Omar / Taliban were nowhere when Soviets were in Afghanistan … They left Afghanistan in 1989. Soviets were driven out by mujahideens … some of the leaders were Hekmatiyar and Ahmed Shah Masood … Mullah Omar / Taliban were nowhere at that time. **

Here is a lil back ground on who were Talibs before they became Talibs

** It was against this background that the Taliban emerged. Former mujahidin who were disillusioned with the chaos that had followed their victory became the nucleus of a movement that coalesced around Mullah Mohammad Omar, a former mujahid from Qandahar province. **