Sir ji, I am really sorry to say this but it really shows how much you know about Islam. Anyway, we are all ignorant to some extent, and I can understand that. So please check this Ijtihad](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijtihad).
And please check the word…legel…that might help in understanding the word Ijtihad.
I also feel that there are so many things which are wrong in Islam, superficially, like why we have to pray Five times a day and Jews are ordered to do more than fives times and the Christians are free to pray as many times a day, why? on a more deeper end why is there so much emphasis on Following (or Itbaa) of god’s (Allah) command and the messengers where as the man was born with a free will?
Minime Bhaijan, Can you summarize it in some easy to follow terms for uneducated folks like us? I think if a Molvi presents you with a bat and shoves it up your ass, you may welcome it as an authentic Islamic practice, but I refuse to buy Islam from people who sell Cholay.
Ijtihad means reformation (not invention) and any one can do that within prescribed laws of Islam. The bull about one having a 6 foot beard to do Ijtihad is a load of crap. Her being a Lesbian doesn’t mean that she has no rights to ask for reformation. She is asking tough questions, and no one (Not a single Mullah) has anything to say except to laugh it off with statements like “Aa jatay hain Ijtihad kernay”.
Their ways are putting people down is by making fun of either their gender, their sexual orientation, their questions, or their intent. While having nothing to offer except “it’s in the Quran”.
I thought Ijtihad meant to interpret not reform. There is no room for reformation in Islam. I was talking to someone about how Irshad Manji wants Muslims to change the Quran and delete some verses and then he said that Muslims cannot change the Quran since it's a book written and copyrighted by God and if we change the Quran then we are violating God's copyright and that is illegal. Islam is a very strict religion. People like Manji are better off leaving the religion completely instead of trying to change the religion because their attempts will be futile.
We talked about that as well. Typical answer to that is that Islam is a religion for all times. But Madhee jee, what type of reforms would you like to see?
SK. For starters, Islam be accessible to half of the muslim population, i.e., Women. They should be allowed to lead mixed prayers, and perform all religious rituals, such as performing Nikkah, etc. Be able to hold the same positions as are held by men, e.g., Judge in Islamic courts, etc. That’s just for starters. Then there are dime a dozen fatwa machines (you know that laughing is forbidden in Islam?). What happens is that (it doesn’t matter what one believes in) but when you have the illiterate and Jahil environment in Islamic societies, these things become common practices.
What I would personally like to see is for a Molvi to get out of my face.
Sir ji, Dil tey na loo, no pun was intended. Aey bat thlay rakho.
I am all for Ijtihad if its done under the premise to reform the Islamic laws needed it should be done by Jurists and lawyers and Judges who are well educated in Islamic law. But to say that anyone can do that is a wrong statement. Its like telling the police officer that ohhh I just changed the speed limit on the beltway. It cannot be done that way. Of course one can ask for change in speed limit but one also has to remember that there is a process and then there is reasonable limits. You cant just say that we need 120 MPH limit on the beltway and I am going to do it. This is what Manji is asking for and that’s why she gets all these nasty answers because in the name of reform she is asking stupid and unreasonable reformation.
Ijtihad can never allows something which is clearly ordained haram by Quran and sunnah, so if we need reform we need it in the Shura, the financial sector, women rights Zakat on modern industry and so many other areas not on issues like gays and lesbians rights, now you know why they say .....“Aa jatay hain Ijtihad kernay”.
Yes Molvis are annoying, especially the jahil ones. Now I know music and dancing is frowned upon in Islam, but laughing, really? This is a new one. Is there a Quranic verse attributed to that? Ever seen the Simpsons where they have Rev. Lovejoy talk about the bible: "Marge, have you ever sat down and read this thing? Apparently we're not allowed to even go to the bathroom." Now as for changing Islam, most Muslims will not agree with what you have said Madhee jee, so Manji and her kind should go ahead and start her own sect within Islam. There so many sects anyway, why not start a new one?
Yeah why not? Madhy can be the spiritual advisor in bermuda shorts, shaved legs and an inverted triangle shaped goatee. That'd definetly get the women to offer salat shoulder to shoulder with the men.
One very important thing you must remember Seminole, should you ever be in a discussion with a Muslim, is that like in Tennis, it is your mistake that earns you point, but only those that were/are deliberate in Islam…
The idea in Islam is to pray/play within the boundaries set forth by Allah :swt:…
If you go out of the boundary, you are out of court/Islam…
Those who play/pray real well within the court/Islam with the least amount of faults become renowned and their knowledge is sought, and they become teachers…(Face it, we ain’t Prophets…Don’t doubt that we haven’t made any deliberate mistakes)…
Then this lady comes along and says she wants to play/pray outside the court/Islam…
How do you think seasoned and knowledgable prayers/players will feel about that?
Exerting the sum total of one’s ability attempting to uncover Allah’s rulings on issues from their sources (Qur’an, Sunnah, Ijma’, etc.). Sometimes divided into complete ijtihad (the ability of one to independently arrive at Allah’s rulings in all areas of fiqh) and partial ijtihad (the ability of one to do so only in certain areas of fiqh in which they have exerted such efforts).
I dont see any islamic judges well versed in law in this definition. Whats goin on ova heah?
she may be the most learned woman on earth, be the biggest visionary even if u wish…but Islam does not operate this way!
to be something in Islam, you just have to be acceptable to Muslims and thier clergy…innovators are not allowed to be monolithic enitities…lesbo academics lviing in dar-ul-harb, and not even fit for association with normal respectable Muslims, like her are fit for only the company of pig-faced, abay kia naam tha us ka, ab may bhool gai, tha Satanic verses writer.
aai ho gi kisi barai hi gharib Musalman gharanai sai before getting dazed by the academic world and unable to shed her dad’s conservatism she writes this book from a so-called “fundamentalist” perspective…hahahaha……the poor thing doesnt know jack abt Islam.
Yeah Ghulail, you know more jack about Islam than she does. Look at yourself, mouthing off on a website making a jerk out of yourself without making any point to refute her views (other than that she came from some “gharib Musalman gharanai”? where the fk did you descend from? From your Urdu it appears you descended from whores of Lakhnow Gharana. So shove it. Next time, if you don’t have a point to make, keep your mouth shut. The keepers of your Islam like Lajo wont say anything to you, caz you claim to be a Muslim, and you are entitled to say crap about other people.
…the poor thing doesnt know jack abt Islam.