Islam developed in Arabian countries. From their it came to India, pakistan. Ofcourse indian/pakistani muslims do not look alike arabs. You can tell difference. Here is my question: if you are look like Indians then it must be true that your forefathers were not “pure muslims”. So you guys are not the “pure” muslims. With pure muslims i mean “original muslims”
Okhay i want you guys to explain this to me. And please please explain it logically. do not start accusing other religions or anybody else. What i think may be a misunderstanding as i do not know much abt islam. I want you guys to help me clear my misunderstanding, if it is one. If you start accusing, then it would just strengthen my ideas. so explain it and dont curse.
Yeah we are not, not a big deal, it's like we are going to get punished for what our ancestors did. And original muslim or not, it doesn't make a difference in our religion, once you convert or are born, you have a clean slate.
There is no one you can say "original Muslims", there is no such concept of that. Even Arabs 'accepted' Islam when Prophet PBUH preached them. You can't compare Islam with Hinduism/Judaism where one can be pure only by being 'born' into it.
while its true that some arabs have some sort of superiority complex, and I have actually even heard it from Kuwaitis I knew, I had to set them straight.
There is no basis in Islam for superiority of someone whose family has been muslim for 20 generations or one who became muslim 20 minutes ago. its all in one person's deeds.
Islam was meant for Arabs? Somebody should have told Salman al-farrsi (ra) or Bilal (ra)...that is to say, there were companions of the Prophet (pbuh) who were not Arabs.
It doesnt matter what your forefathers were…weather they were “pure” or not
A muslims responsibility is first towards himself…and then to his family and loved ones…later comes the state…
I dont even uderstand the question but ill answer by what i depicted: Islam is a religion, not a race…“purity” doesnt depend on weather ur parents were good/bad muslims…it only depends on how much you practice urslef …
The purity scale has been established by the oil rich Arabs
According to them... the muslims (in Decreasing order of purity)
Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula - PUREST of the pure (excluding Yemen)
Arabs from the UAE and the other GCC states
Egyptians
Iraqis + Syrians
Indian Muslims
Black African Muslims
Pakistani Muslims
Indonesians + Malaysians + Brunai
The rest of the Muslims living elsewhere in the world
100%
Only original muslim was Adam, Hawa AS..
and at most the prophets as Allah SWT kept them from all forms of** Shirk** before they were given Prophecy!
Yes arabs have the advantage of being people of the language or "Ahl-ul-Lisaan". This does not necessarily mean that they are better then the other muslims. Theyhave edge over others...but only if they take benefit from it..
Quran: Inna akramakum eindal-lahe at-qa-kum "verily those amongst you with more taqwa are higher in status then others"
Okhay i want you guys to explain this to me. And please please explain it logically. do not start accusing other religions or anybody else. What i think may be a misunderstanding as i do not know much abt islam. I want you guys to help me clear my misunderstanding, if it is one. If you start accusing, then it would just strengthen my ideas. so explain it and dont curse.
We all descended from Adam PBUH. And Adam PBUH was a muslim according to Islam, so don't worry about race, Allah SWT judges muslims against their Taqwa. This whole line of thought about being pure or impure is irrelevant to any cause for muslims.
my brother and I discussed it few years back that we're not sure whether our forefathers / ancesters were muslims and Pakistani or not ?? and found this issue rather funny as no one is aware of his/her ancesters religion ( centuries back) unless there's authentic / documented proof to that .................. how about u patriotic_munda ?????????? please proof.
Okhay i want you guys to explain this to me. And please please explain it logically. do not start accusing other religions or anybody else. What i think may be a misunderstanding as i do not know much abt islam. I want you guys to help me clear my misunderstanding, if it is one. If you start accusing, then it would just strengthen my ideas. so explain it and dont curse.
I do consider myself pure Muslim. It has nothing to do with ancestry. It's all about what one believes in.
Looks like to me that you are very much impressed by the thoughts of SHUDDHI movement to convert muslims back to their ancestors religen.
Who told you that in India the Hindus are Pure, before that there were Budhist and Jaen and even before that they were not look like Indians but migrants from Turkey and Europe.
I dont get it....what is the point of this thread and why does it matter if someone is a "pure muslim" (whatever that means) or not? the point is.... they are Muslim now and when one converts to Islam they become as pure as a newborn baby.
^ Another important twist to all of this:
Many of us today believe that the VEDAS actually fortells the coming of Prophet Muhammad SAW. He is the “kalki avatar” in vedas. So much so that the bengali translations from sanskrit vedas reveal actuall wording of Ahmed. The books tells of wars and that the people who are at the time of the Avatar should follow him.
A famous indian professor (Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay) also excepted this. http://www.islam-christianity.com/articles/PBUH%20in%20Hidunism.rtf
So if Budhha who I guess memorized the 4 Vedas knew this (although disputed by todays Budhists), then was Budha also a pious follower of Islam? and mayhe his (budha’s) time was actually the time of a one of the prophets of Allah SWT and after that as the Quran testifies human beings idolicized their saints or pious ppl and starting worshipping them..
So in essence it is highly possible that (and many muslims today believe this as a possibility as it is believed that 125,000 approx. no of messenger were sent to humanity by Allah) todays hindus are infact followers of a very distorted version of a divine Shariah sent by Allah SWT to one of His earlier prophets/messengers…
We all knew this fact they are not Brahmins of the Muslim nation however they are living truly in this superiority complex. The truth of the matter is they treat us (Pakistani/Indian non-Arabs) like trash. I don’t know much about Europe but in America or even in our dear homeland Pakistan police/immigration/custom officials talk politely as compared to government officials in Arab countries.
