SOME SIGNS BEFORE DOOMSDAY

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[quote]
Originally posted by Infoman:
**

Ibrahim says; greetings of Peace to one and all

One should not be amazed at the follies Hinduism enjoins and practices. Today’s hindus basically do their utmost to hide the TRUTH and convey falsehood .

So far as caste is concerned Hindu scriptures enjoins casteism as a requirement for Brahmanism and not as a social framework
Read!

HINDUISM & CASTE
Caste (varna): Brahmin = Priest Caste; Ksatriya = Rajanya/Ruler/Warrior Caste; Vaisya = Commoner Caste; Sudra = Servant/Slave Caste; and Avarna = Outcaste/Untouchable/Dalit/Candala/Dog-eater. There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born (twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste particularly).

Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted by any of their holy books.

Is that really so? Let's find out:

"By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in this matter." -- Manusmrti 11:85.

HINDUISM'S TREATMENT OF OUTCASTES (AVARNA)

"Candalas must live out of the town, and their clothes must be the mantles of the deceased." -- Visnusmrti 16:14.

"These (castes) should live near mounds, trees, and cremation-grounds, in mountains and in groves, recognizable and making a living by their own innate activities. But the dwellings of 'Fierce' Untouchables (candala) and 'Dog-cookers' (svapaca) should be outside the village; they must use discarded bowls, and dogs and donkeys should be their wealth. Their clothing should be the clothes of the dead, and their food should be in broken dishes; their ornaments should be made of black iron, and they should wander constantly. A man who carries out his duties should not seek contact with them; they should do business with one another and marry with those who are like them. Their food, dependent upon others, should be given to them in a broken dish, and they should not walk about in villages and cities at night." -- Manusmrti 10:50-54.

"If one who (being a member of the Candala or some other outcaste) must not be touched, intentionally defiles by his touch one who (as a member of a twice-born caste) may be touched (by other twice-born persons only), he (or she) shall be put to death. If a woman in her courses (touches such a person), she shall be lashed with a whip." -- Visnusmrti 5:104-5.

And everything in hinduism is based on caste

Read!

"It is far better to perform one's svadharma (prescribed duties), even though faultily, than another's duties perfectly. Destruction in the course of performing one's own duty is better than engaging in another's duties, for to follow another's path is dangerous." -- Bhagavad-Gita 3:35.

"According to the three modes of material nature (goodness, passion, ignorance) and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society (Brahmin/Ksatriya/Vaisya/Sudra) are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the nondoer, being unchangeable." -- Bhagavad-Gita 4:13.**

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I bet that the fear of doomsday will bring upon the doomsday instead of being otherwise...

And interestingly, only those who fear the doomsday will be affected with doom.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Infoman:
** Natural laws are not within any religion. They are not in Hinduism either. And as many of the people here have indicated castism was practiced by hindus as a social framework, but hinduism never assigned heirarchy and resources based on caste. It's like saying Islam condones public flogging of women because the taliban flogged a woman by the roadside.

Back to the issue. One does not need religion to practice natural laws. Do you need religion to tell you that it is wrong to kill another, or that adultery is bad or that you should not steal. These are common sensical things that religions across the world used with the fear of apocalyptic doom to get a few people their power.

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where did you get these 'natural' laws from? probably written somewhere in some tree by some thunderstorm??? or some insect's movements. why is it hard to beleive that most of the laws evolved from religions?

as far as Doomsday is concerned, its not only 'threat' for Muslims, also for Christians, and Jews.... ever thought about WHY?

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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[quote]
Originally posted by Changez_like:
** where did you get these 'natural' laws from? probably written somewhere in some tree by some thunderstorm??? or some insect's movements. why is it hard to beleive that most of the laws evolved from religions?

as far as Doomsday is concerned, its not only 'threat' for Muslims, also for Christians, and Jews.... ever thought about WHY?

**
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And why is it hard for you to believe that religion evolved from these laws.

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ahaan. so you are stuck in the question:
which was first, chicken or egg??

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Ever wondered why “moon” has marks of being split up? probably didn’t see it yet, but when man actually lands on moon, you’ll get to see it.

Anyway, where did this ‘natural’ come from?

We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

[This message has been edited by Changez_like (edited July 31, 2001).]

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Bete: I am not questioning god..I am questioning religion. The practices, the facing east for prayers or the ringing of the bell in the temple or the ban on eating pork or beef. These are virtues of religion, not spirituality.

No book or veda, nor priest or mullah is going to tell me how to be in touch with god. In the end she/he/it/whatever is the judge. Why is interest haraam, because it said in the book? What if your book is wrong and the Jews book is right, then we are all screwed.

maybe a lizard like alien is god looking down or up at pitiful creatures like us and laughing because we think that by creating monuments in its name it will protect us in some way.

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Guyz here is the site to goto and read for yourself,…More informations about the day of Judgement.

http://www.adishakti.org/al-qiyamah/dealers_in_fraud_(al_mutaffun).htm

Ayats are on the right side of the screen,.,.click on those and read those,…If want to read
**************************************Infoman,Kumarkn and whatever you are,
If you need yourself to validate/Backup your own arguments here,…then man,..you have failed/lost miserably,…we all know who you are and why you have two IDs,I think Admin will be checking it,..BTW,…If you Don’t know about ABC of our Holy Book then,…better thing to do is to stay away from this discussion.Concentrate on your own religion,..and follow it.

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If you are not questioning GOD, then just READ QURAN. Quran is a holy book revealed to HIS messenger. If you ‘really’ want to find out, start studying ‘original’ book of Jews, then study ‘original’ book of Christians, you will be directed to Quran.
NOTE: I’m talkin about ‘original’ here.

If you can’t access them, then read history, critics on Quran, but remember you have to have ‘sincere’ intention of finding truth. You will get what you wanted to know. Otherwise you can imagine shape of God what you want as Hindus do (may be they have different reason for that).

About interest, many of laws were changed from one nation to other from time to time. Even in Islam, when ‘wine’ was not forbidden, people used to drink and pray, then it was forbidden later on. My knowledge about jews is, that they have made interest ‘haram’ from among themselves ONLY and made it ‘halal’ to take from non-Jews.
By Quran, Jews have history of disobeying, finding out ways to cheat Allah’s commands.

In chain of Allah’s religions, LATEST has always been considered to be implemented while the LAST one was to be disregarded. For example, Jews had to give up ‘Jewism’ / the commandments brought to them (and all othes as well) by Hazrat Essa (AH), then Christians had to give up ‘Christianity’ and follow commandments brought to them (and all others as well) by Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH).

Meaning, USE THE LATEST VERSION OF RELIGION. So if Islam prohibits interest, then it is forbidden forever.

We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

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[quote]
Originally posted by Changez_like:
** If you are not questioning GOD, then just READ QURAN. Quran is a holy book revealed to HIS messenger. If you 'really' want to find out, start studying 'original' book of Jews, then study 'original' book of Christians, you will be directed to Quran.
NOTE: I'm talkin about 'original' here.

If you can't access them, then read history, critics on Quran, but remember you have to have 'sincere' intention of finding truth. You will get what you wanted to know. Otherwise you can imagine shape of God what you want as Hindus do (may be they have different reason for that).

About interest, many of laws were changed from one nation to other from time to time. Even in Islam, when 'wine' was not forbidden, people used to drink and pray, then it was forbidden later on. My knowledge about jews is, that they have made interest 'haram' from among themselves ONLY and made it 'halal' to take from non-Jews.
By Quran, Jews have history of disobeying, finding out ways to cheat Allah's commands.

In chain of Allah's religions, LATEST has always been considered to be implemented while the LAST one was to be disregarded. For example, Jews had to give up 'Jewism' / the commandments brought to them (and all othes as well) by Hazrat Essa (AH), then Christians had to give up 'Christianity' and follow commandments brought to them (and all others as well) by Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH).

Meaning, USE THE LATEST VERSION OF RELIGION. So if Islam prohibits interest, then it is forbidden forever.

**
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How do the Jews and the christians feel about the finality of the Islam? For them their religion is the final one.

what about religions who don't use books? Are they less loved by god? They are unenlightened? Hardly, this is the arrogance of religion. Svery religion thinks that it is the final word of god.

Here we have your buddy Tarik, who cannot explain why the doomsday prophecy is there and blindly points to the book. What is reason to spread fear? If I look at god per the judeochristian/islam viewpoint then I can essentially sum it up as.

Jews: Angry god
Catholicism: Angry God
Protestantism: Loving god
Islam: Angry god

Poor chinese, 1 billion of them and they don't seem to be complaining.

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Guyz,
Here are the reference from QURAN for you all to read for more informations,....
Judgement, 4:58, 5:8, 6:151-152, 37:53, 40:78, 45:21, 50:29, 51:6, 60:10, 69:18, 76:24, 82:9, 95:8
be just, 5:8, 5:42
don't let hate lead judgement astray, 5:8
Day, 2:123, 2:177, 2:254, 3:9, 3:25, 3:106, 3:114, 4:41, 4:59, 4:136, 5:69, 5:119, 6:15-16, 6:40, 6:128, 7:8, 7:53, 7:187, 9:29, 9:35, 9:44, 9:45, 9:77, 9:99, 10:15, 10:28, 11:3, 11:8, 11:25, 11:84, 11:103, 11:105, 12:107, 14:21, 14:29, 14:30, 14:41, 14:42, 14:44, 14:48, 14:49, 15:36, 15:38, 16:77, 16:84, 16:87, 16:89, 16:111, 17:71, 17:104, 18:99, 18:100, 19:37-39, 19:75, 19:85, 20:15, 20:105-112, 21:49, 21:103-104, 22:2-7, 22:55-56, 24:37, 25:8, 25:11, 26:82, 27:83, 30:12, 30:14, 30:55, 32:14, 33:21, 33:44, 33:63, 33:66, 34:3, 37:20, 38:16, 38:26, 38:53, 39:13, 40:9, 40:27, 40:33, 40:51, 40:59, 42:7, 43:66, 43:83, 43:85, 44:40, 45:27, 45:32, 45:34, 45:35, 47:18, 50:20, 51:12, 52:45, 54:46, 54:48, 56:56, 58:22, 60:6, 64:9, 69:19-37, 70:26, 74:46, 76:7, 77:13-14, 77:38, 78:17, 79:6-14, 81:1-14, 82:15, 83:11, 99:1-8, 101:1
messengers called together, 77:11
are disbelievers really ready for, 10:51-52
repentence then is too late, 40:85
"childrens' hair turns grey", 73:17
earth
and mountains lifted and crushed, 69:14, 89:21
levelled, 84:3
riven asunder, 50:44
severely shaken, 56:4
will be convulsed and become like a moving sand-dune, 73:14
flash of fire followed by smoke, 55:35
moon split asunder, 54:1
mountains
like tufts of wool, 70:9, 101:5
scattered like dust, 77:10
shattered, 56:5
vanish, 78:20
will move, 52:10
seas will burst beyond their bounds, 82:3
skies
and clouds will burst apart, 25:25
flung open, 78:19
like molten lead, 70:8
red like burning oil, 55:37
rent asunder, 55:37, 69:16, 73:18, 77:9, 82:1, 84:1
will be rolled up, 21:104
will bring forth a pall of smoke, 44:10
stars
effaced, 77:8
scattered, 82:2
three types of soul to judge
those close to Allah, 56:10-11, 56:15-26, 56:88-89
those evil, 56:9, 56:41-55, 56:92-94
those righteous, 56:8, 56:27-38, 56:90-91
use reason, 6:151
verify reports and rumors, 49:6, 49:12

It covers all the topic about the day of Judgement,....Any doubt,....please read these and get all the answers,...You guyz will know more inshallah.

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Tarik that is according to Islam. On the day of judgment or whatever, is only the bad muslims who will perish Or everyone on earth? Without a bibliographical littany, explain.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Infoman:
*Tarik that is according to Islam. On the day of judgment or whatever, is only the bad muslims who will perish Or everyone on earth? Without a bibliographical littany, explain. *
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Are you familiar with concept of Doomsday? Its for all of the universe.
In your last message, you said that Jews and Christian consider their religion as 'THE FINALE'??? I don't think so.

Jews differed or didn't accept Prophet PBUH because he was not from a Jew tribe (which they thought would be the case). Same is for Christian, they know that someone will come later and 'save the humanity' yet they ignored the message of Prophet PBUH. They derived from their own summaries that Christ (Essa AH) will come back as prophet and save them again. Thats why both of them denied Prophet PBUH as a messenger, otherwise both of these religions know that a prophet was to come after Christ (Essa AH).

Its human nature which is arrogant, not religion.
Yes, sure, Chinese (or all atheist) are deprived from 'GOD', but all atheist or other religions have received message of Islam, everybody knows what Islam is about... if they don't wanna accept, its upto them. But everybody is held responsible, and it will be seen on Day of Judgement, beleive it or not. I'm here with this beleif, you can go on with your beleif. I'm living a happy life (by Grace of GOD), you enjoy yours, HE is the one at the end to decide our destiny (heaven or hell).

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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No it is not for all the universe. everybody knows what is hinduism. It is their choice that they didn' accept it. But on the day of their death they will realize their mistake. They will only re-incarnate.

This is not more c.r.a.p.p.i.e.r than the post above!

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[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
**No it is not for all the universe. everybody knows what is hinduism. It is their choice that they didn' accept it. But on the day of their death they will realize their mistake. They will only re-incarnate.

This is not more c.r.a.p.p.i.e.r than the post above!**
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Kumarkn,
Crappier is your way of thinking and way of discussion,..Don't try to be a BOZO with this kind a stupid behavier,...I know more flowery words than you don't make me to use against you.
FOLLOWING IS THE REFERENCE FROM OUR BOOK QURAN,...READ IT IF NOT THEN KEEP YOUR DAMN MOUTH SHUT
We don't need your certification or anything,..go follow your own religion.

                  Guyz,
                  Here are the reference from QURAN for you all to read for more informations,....
                  Judgement, 4:58, 5:8, 6:151-152, 37:53, 40:78, 45:21, 50:29, 51:6, 60:10, 69:18, 76:24, 82:9, 95:8 
                  be just, 5:8, 5:42 
                  don't let hate lead judgement astray, 5:8 
                  Day, 2:123, 2:177, 2:254, 3:9, 3:25, 3:106, 3:114, 4:41, 4:59, 4:136, 5:69, 5:119, 6:15-16, 6:40, 6:128, 7:8, 7:53, 7:187, 9:29,
                  9:35, 9:44, 9:45, 9:77, 9:99, 10:15, 10:28, 11:3, 11:8, 11:25, 11:84, 11:103, 11:105, 12:107, 14:21, 14:29, 14:30, 14:41, 14:42,
                  14:44, 14:48, 14:49, 15:36, 15:38, 16:77, 16:84, 16:87, 16:89, 16:111, 17:71, 17:104, 18:99, 18:100, 19:37-39, 19:75, 19:85,
                  20:15, 20:105-112, 21:49, 21:103-104, 22:2-7, 22:55-56, 24:37, 25:8, 25:11, 26:82, 27:83, 30:12, 30:14, 30:55, 32:14, 33:21,
                  33:44, 33:63, 33:66, 34:3, 37:20, 38:16, 38:26, 38:53, 39:13, 40:9, 40:27, 40:33, 40:51, 40:59, 42:7, 43:66, 43:83, 43:85, 44:40,
                  45:27, 45:32, 45:34, 45:35, 47:18, 50:20, 51:12, 52:45, 54:46, 54:48, 56:56, 58:22, 60:6, 64:9, 69:19-37, 70:26, 74:46, 76:7,
                  77:13-14, 77:38, 78:17, 79:6-14, 81:1-14, 82:15, 83:11, 99:1-8, 101:1 
                  messengers called together, 77:11 
                  are disbelievers really ready for, 10:51-52 
                  repentence then is too late, 40:85 
                  "childrens' hair turns grey", 73:17 
                  earth 
                  and mountains lifted and crushed, 69:14, 89:21 
                  levelled, 84:3 
                  riven asunder, 50:44 
                  severely shaken, 56:4 
                  will be convulsed and become like a moving sand-dune, 73:14 
                  flash of fire followed by smoke, 55:35 
                  moon split asunder, 54:1 
                  mountains 
                  like tufts of wool, 70:9, 101:5 
                  scattered like dust, 77:10 
                  shattered, 56:5 
                  vanish, 78:20 
                  will move, 52:10 
                  seas will burst beyond their bounds, 82:3 
                  skies 
                  and clouds will burst apart, 25:25 
                  flung open, 78:19 
                  like molten lead, 70:8 
                  red like burning oil, 55:37 
                  rent asunder, 55:37, 69:16, 73:18, 77:9, 82:1, 84:1 
                  will be rolled up, 21:104 
                  will bring forth a pall of smoke, 44:10 
                  stars 
                  effaced, 77:8 
                  scattered, 82:2 
                  three types of soul to judge 
                  those close to Allah, 56:10-11, 56:15-26, 56:88-89 
                  those evil, 56:9, 56:41-55, 56:92-94 
                  those righteous, 56:8, 56:27-38, 56:90-91 
                  use reason, 6:151 
                  verify reports and rumors, 49:6, 49:12 
                  >
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                  It covers all the topic about the day of Judgement,....Any doubt,....please read these and get all the answers,...You guyz will know
                  more inshallah.

IF YOU CAN'T READ OR REASON,..THEN LEAVE THIS THREAD AND DON'T BOTHER TO RESPOND,..NERDS LIKE YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE.
REFERENCES ARE MENTIONED ABOVE,...FOR THOSE WHO HAVE OPEN MIND AND INTERESTED TO LEARN OR KNOW THE TRUTH.

GIRL FROM QURAISH
I HOPE YOU HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO THIS Comment by Kumarkn "This is not more c.r.a.p.p.i.e.r than the post above!"
THESE KIND A STATMENTS WILL LEAD TO MORE PROBLEMS,...IT PROVES MY POINT AS I WROTE YOU BEFORE,...I think I'll be having a free hand too to counter anyone with any way iI like now.

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Bro Tariq,....

Calm down be in peace yaar......

kumarakn shouldn't be treated like that.

He is as strong in his beliefs as we Muslims are with our religion.

We know the truth but he doesn't.....

And Mr kamarakn.....keep reading about Islam, not for debating with Muslim
but
to find truth.

Compare Islam with your own beliefs and make judgements as a human being not as a Hindu or Muslim etc etc.

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It still doesn't explain why these signs as you have mentioned been happening from the begining of time. If these were truly the signs and if non-believers were to be punished then how do you explain the existence of 5 billion additional people in the world? Wouldn't it be just the muslims left?

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in china and japan there is no clash between
native beliefs and bhudism thats why they dont have the religious problems. imagine
japanese japanese spend hours hours arguing about religen instead of producing cars and eletronic goods.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Infoman:
It still doesn't explain why these signs as you have mentioned been happening from the begining of time. If these were truly the signs and if non-believers were to be punished then how do you explain the existence of 5 billion additional people in the world? Wouldn't it be just the muslims left?
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I guess we will have to provide you the information about the DOOMSDAY.

Mr Kumarakn, the discussion of DOOMSDAY is from Islamic point of view, and ALL MUSLIMS beleive in the doomsday and that it applies to whole universe (as per our beleif), if you are from other religion then be it. You can't change our concept and neither do we intend to change hinduism.

Mr Infoman, DOOMSDAY is a designated time, it does not happen everyday or every time. If there are 4 billions non-beleivers, fine. They all will face judgement AFTER doomsday. The world will keep running its day-to-day activities as it is doing now, UNTIL Doomsday. If a non-beleiver goes to extreme against Islam, he may not face any problem in this world, but later he will.

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Fine, let them work for whole world, we do need better cars anyway

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Religion does not prohibit you from worldly activities.

We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

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You guys should stop using Quran to prove your assumption that Quran is true.

Nowhere in the universe would such a reference be accepted.

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Well, if you wanna follow that trend, I am saying I am true because I say that I am true. Now follow me!

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