Some Issues in the light of Quran.

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I will posting some verses from quran concerning some issues of today, which some Muslims are confused about. For today:

Mohammad was Human:

Surah 17(Al-Isra)-Verse# 93-95, 105.
**- 93. Or you have a house of ornament or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not belive in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, “Exalted is my lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?”

    1. And what prevented the people from believing when guidence came to them except that they said, “Has Allah sent a human messenger?”
    1. Say, “if there were upon the earth angels walking securely *, we would have sent down to them from the heaven an angel [as a] messenger.” ***

Surah 18(Al-Kahf)-Verse# 56, 57, 110.
*** - 56. And we send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners. And those who disbelieve dispute by [using] falsehood to [attempt to] invalidate thereby the truth and have taken My verses, and that of which they are warned, in ridicule.

    1. And who is more unjust than one who is reminded of the verses of his load but turns away from them and forgets what his hands have put forth? Indeed, we have placed over their hearts covering, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if you invite them to guidance - they will never be guided, then - ever.
    1. Say, “I am only a man like you, to whome has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his lord - let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his lord anyone.” ***

Surah 19(Maryam)-Verse# 41.
- 41. And mention in the Book [the story of] Abraham. Indeed, he was a MAN of truth and a prophet. (Mohammad was a descendant of Abraham - so he was a human)

Surah 21(Al-Anbiya)-Verse# 8.
- 08. And we did not make them * forms not eating food [like angels. Rather, they were human beings with human attributes], nor were they immortal[on earth].

Surah 25(Al-Furqan)-Verse# 7-9, 20-12, 56.
***- 07. And they say, "What is this messenger that eats food and walks in the markets? Why was there not sent down to him an angel so he would be with him a warner?

    1. Or [why is not] a treasure presented to him [from heaven], or does he [not] have a garden from which he eats?" And the wrongdoers say, “You follow not but a man affected by magic.”
    1. Look how hey strike for you comparisons [From their own imaginations in order to deny and discredit you.]; but they have strayed, so they cannot [find] a way.
    1. And we have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a bringer of a good tidings and a warner.***

Surah 38(sad)-Verse# 4.
- 04. And they wonder that there come to them a warner * from themselves. And the disbelievers say, “this is a magician and a liar.”

Surah 41(Fussilat)-Verse# 6.
- 06. Say, [O Mohammad], “I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to him and seek his forgiveness.” And woe to those who associate others with Allah-

Surah 62(Al-Jummah)-Verse# 2.
***- 02. It is He who has sent among the unlettered a Messenger from themselves reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the book * and wisdom * - although they were before in clear error - ***

You see? Take it easy.

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PS: If you have any doubts please check the quran your self.

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I agree with this.

The prophets were the best of humans - but they were in the end humans.

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Zero and Watcher, did you read the whole GLORIOUS QURAN or you are quoting these ayats frm some other source????
Here is why I am saying that...
Zero said that ...The prophets were the best of humans - but they were in the end humans.
and I think watcher was trying something like that too....

Is it not in the GLORIOUS QURAN that Allah Gathered all the prophets together and asked them to swear their allegiance for HUZOOR(PBUH). PLEASE tell me when was the time when all the prophets were alive at the same time. you have to believe in "AWWALA MA QALAQAL LAHOO NOORI".
Wassalam

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I think pizza is confusing himself.

Please clarify.

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What part you didnot understand?????

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One who did no wrong in his life is masoom!

Masoom=our beloved prophet!

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Pizza, I suggested in the last part of my post, if you have any doubt than read the quran your self.

Mohammad was a Prophet a messenger a warner but he was a HUMAN not made out of light as many people believe.

Don’t come here and start to make judgements, go read quran and you will see. If you still refuse to accept the quranic verses than I have a remedy for that as well.

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Here is one for today:

Denial of Mohammad&Quran

Surah 22(Al-Hajj)-Verse# 41-44.
***- 41. [And they are] those who, if we give them authority in the land, establish prayer and give zakah an enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong. And to Allah belongs the outcome of [all] matters.

    1. And if they deny you, [O Muhammad] - so, before them, did the people of Noah and 'Aad and Thamud deny [their prophets],
    1. And the people of Abraham and the people of Lot
    1. And he ihabitants of Madyan. And Moses was denied, so I prolonged enjoyment for the disbelievers; then I seized them, and how [terrible] was my reproach.***

Surah 29(Al-Aukabut)-Verse# 68.
- 68. And who is more unjust than one who invents a lie about Allah or denies the truth when it has come to him? Is there not in Hell a [sufficient] residence for the disbelievers?

Quran:
Surah 41(Fussilat)-Verse# 41
*- 41. Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message * after it has coem to them… and indeed, it is a mighty book. ***

Take it easy.

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Here another verses from QURAN: [highlighted verse, read both, it will make more sense]

Surah 7(al-A’raf) Verses # 187-188.

  1. They ask you, [o Muhammad], about the Hour: When is its arrival?[establishment] Say, “its knowledge is only with my lord. None will reveal its time except him. It lays heavily[concern, worry, fear] upon the heavens and the earth. It will not come upon you except unexpectedly.” They ask you as if you are familiar with it. Say, “its knowledge is only with Allah, but most of the people do not know.”

188. Say, “I hold not for my self [the power of] benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And if I knew the unseen, I could have acquired much wealth, and no harm would have touched me. I am not except a warner and a bringer of good tidings to a people who believe.”

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Do you believe? ONLY ONLY ONLY ALLAH knows the unseen and future, no one else!!!

Take it like it is!!!

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Yesterday is history,
Tommorow is a mystery,
Today is a gift,
That’s why we call it PRESENT!

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[quote]
Originally posted by pizza:
*Is it not in the GLORIOUS QURAN that Allah Gathered all the prophets together and asked them to swear their allegiance for HUZOOR(PBUH). PLEASE tell me when was the time when all the prophets were alive at the same time. *
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Hmm.. I don't remember reading that

but if it was - wouldn't that be at the time of Mairaj?

as Muhammad was the last prophet.. all the other prophets would be there..

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Watcher:

These verses from the Quran are all great. Indeed any verse from Quran is something we can spend hours pondering over.

Can I give you an advice?

Can you consolidate the verses on similar topics and then provide some scholarly interpretation and explanation for those? Verses catering to different subjects can be stated in different threads, with respective explanations. This will help the participants to appreciate the verse in its true context and then provide comments on the explanation. I believe it will be more useful in this way.

Another important reason I am saying this is that, unless one is a accomplished scholar, reading verses individually can give radically different understanding. For instance if you read 32:33 without quoting 32:32, you may interpret it to mean something entirely different. However, when you read it together you really understand how it all works together and to whom it is addressed. This is just an example not related to your post. This is a reason, why I stress the importance of authentic explanation for every verse. It is important for those of us who have but a cursory and summary knoweldge about Arabic, arabic grammer, islamic fiqh and the Quran.

I don’t claim to be a scholar of Islam, so if I made any misstatements above, pls excuse

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Pristine, I do not have quranic tafseer with me these days. I only have english translation of quran which I read and reading again. Inshallah.
Hey also, no one is scholar of Islam on this BBS. That is why I emphasize on posting the references with your posts, but most peopel would go with their own personal opinion and what their Imaams tell them. Which is pretty sad!

Obey the Messenger(Mohammad - his example, his sunnah)

Surah 24(An-Nur)-Verse# 52-56, 62.
***- 52. And whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger and fears Allah and his conscious of Him - it is those who are the attainers.

    1. And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if you ordered them, they would go forth [in Allah’s cause]. Say, “Do not swear. [Such] obedience is known* Indeed, Allah is Acquainted with that which you do.”
    1. Say, “Obey Allah and Obey the Messenger; but if you turn away- then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be rightly guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification.”
    1. Allah has promised those who have believed among you and done righteous deeds that he will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that he will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them and that He will surely substitute for them, after their fear, security, [for] they worship Me, not associating anything with Me. But whoever disbelieves after that - then those are the defiantly disobedient.
    1. And establish prayer and give zakah and obey the Messenger - that you may receive mercy.***

Surah 33(Al-Ahzab)-Verse# 36.
***- 36. It is not for the believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and his Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affairs. And whoever disobeys Allah and his Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error. ***

Surah 64(At-Taghabun)-Verse# 12.
- 12. And obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon Our Messenger is only [the duty of] clear notification.

Quran is light:
Surah 64(At-taghabun)-Verse# 8.
- 8. So believe in Allah and His messenger and the light * which we have sent down. And Alah is acquainted with what you do.

Enjoy!

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Ignorent Speech/Arrogant Speech - Following forefathers/desires

Surah 28(Al-Qasas)-Verse# 50.

**- 50. But if they do not respond to you - then know that htey only follow their own desires. And who is more astray than one who follows his desires without guidance from Allah? Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people. **

Surah 31(Luqman)-Verse# 21.

- 21. And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed," they say, "Rather, we will follow that upon which we found our fathers." Even if Satan was inviting them to the punishment of the blaze?

Surah 39(Az-Zumar)-Verse# 38.

  • 38. And if you asked them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" They would surely say, "Allah," Say, "Then have you considered"tell me about..."] what you invoke besides Allah? If Allah intended me harm, are they remover of His harm; or if He intended me mercy, are they witholders of His mercy?" Say, "Sufficient for me is Allah; upon Him [alone] rely the [wise] reliers."

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

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Mohammad does not cause harm or good ....

Surah 27(An-Naml)?-Verse# 80-81.

***- 80. Indeed you will not make the dead hear, nor will you make the deaf hear the call when they hae turned their backs retreating.

- 81. And you cannot guide the blind away from their errors. you will only make those hear who believe in Our verses so they are Muslims*. ***

Surah 35(Fatir)-Verse# 22-25.
**- 22. And not equal are the living and the dead. Indeed, Allah causes to hear whom He wills, but you cannot make hear those in the graves. ]
- 23. You, [O Mohammad], are not but a warner.
- 24. Indeed, We have sent you with the truth as a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And there was no nation but that there had passed within it a warner.

- 25. And if they deny you - then already have those before them denied. Their messengers came to them with clear proofs and written ordinaces and with the englightening Scriptures.**

Surah 72(Al-Jinn)-Verse# 20-23, 25-26.

***- 20. Say, [O Mohammad], I only invoke my Lord and do not associate with Him anyone."
- 21. Say, "Indeed, I do NOT possess for you [the power of] harm or right direction."
- 22. Say, Indeed there will never protect me from Allah anyone [if I should disobey], nor will I find in other than Him in refuge.
- 23. But * only notification from Allah, and his messages." And whoever disobeys Allah and His messenger - then indeed for him is the fire of Hell; they will abide therein forever.

  • 25. Say, "I do not know if what you are promised is near or if my Lord will grant for it a [long] period."
  • 26. [He is] Knower of the unseen, and He does not disclose His [knowledge of the] unseen to anyone
  • 27. Except whom He has approved of messengers, and indeed, He sends before him * and behind him observers[Guardian angels to protect the messenger and the message]*** *note: Shia friends claim their Imaams knew unseen, were they messengers from Allah? No. Claim is falsified!

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

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Shias practice something called "taqiyyah"(concealment of truth, lying).>*"Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." *<(Al-Kafi vol.9)

"A believer who does not dissimulate(lying) is like a body without a head."<(Tafseer al-Askari) - And they have many more self-created lies and practices which contradict with Quran and sunnah.
Above listed material in "bold" from shia hadith books contradicts with the teachings of Quran and Sunnah here:
Allah states in the Quran: "Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur'an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse." (2:159) And the statement of the Prophet (s.a.w) who said: "Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement." (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)
You be the judge, who is right, their lies or word of Allah and Mohammad(pbuh)!!!***