Solid Suggestions...to eliminate radicalization

this is a solid column by javd ch… all of his suggestions are spot on in terms of how to control terrorism in pakistan and how to finish radicalization among our masses…I have been active at GS for close to12 years and all these years i have been begging that we shd declare pakistan a secular country. religion shd be a personal issue. Celebrate and practice your religion within your boundary only. Mosques and madrassas shd be regulated by the govt. Loud speaker shd be banned. Religious people shd be hanged if they don’t follow these rules. For god sake khuda kay wastay, stop raising and supporting “good taliban” to use them against india.

pls read the last paragraph.

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By the way guys....his suggestion in the first paragraph is equally appealing....there is absolutely no remedy for all those parents who lost their kids in Peshawar incidence,. They will live with this pain for rest of their lives. whenever i think abt their pain my heart sinks. Javed is proposing that maybe those parents shd consider raising a yateem, name him/her after your lost kid and give him/her your love. Jazak Allah

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This is a crucial moment for us. I finally see our qaum awake. Protests vs the terrorist sitting in Lal Masjid is a new for us. I have never seen us united over something like this before.

Will we continue this unity and demand from our rulers that this disease be rooted out or will we move on from this and forget it after one week remains to be seen. Because if the murder of KIDS cannot propel Pakistan to get rid of this terrorism disease then nothing will.

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I have said many times and I am saying it again. Expunge the word Islam or Islamic from the constitution of Pakistan. Declare Pakistan as secular state. Sooner the better.

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  • Pakistan secret service and high ups need to stop funding these groups.

Simple, that's the only way this will all work out. Stop giving them arms.

But at this point, a monster is created and to defeat it will be hard EVEN IF Pakistan decided to stop supporting groups that even are pro-pakistan like Haqqani network.

Becuase if you stop funding the pro-pakistan extremists, then foreign powers will fill that void and fund them to turn against the state.

And that's probably what has now happened with TTP. These people once upon a time were Pakistan's government servants, but the minute Pakistan withdrew support, they became anti-state. And there is no shortage of foreign powers willing to fund them against Pakistan.

How do we undo this?

  1. Go back into time, and undo the deal made between CIA/ISI to prune "mujahideen" to fight Russia by perverting Islam - in other words, undo the perversion of the religion in the first place.

  2. Until a time travel machine is made, Pakistani people themselves need to get their priorities correct and education on true Islamic values needs to be made widely available.

  3. Vulnerable populations that are most likely to turn towards terrorism need to be looked after.

Yes, sorry rich folks, that means you need to treat your servants with love and respect, and look after them. They will be less likely to turn towards terrorism then.

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oh and most important:

Education. With an emphasis on humanity and community service. Mandate community service hours for all students, and keep an eye out on the brilliant engineering kid who is way too quiet for his own good - that is your future terrorist mastermind who can do some REAL damage because he will figure out how to build bombs.

And take people who have psych problems and put them in psych wards and meds, so they stay out of trouble.

I swear some of these people like Lal Masjid people I see on TV interviews...if they were here, I'd be admitting them to the psychiatry ward in my hospital, and pound them with Haldol.

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And for the education bit, that means Pakistanis need to warm up to Malala and people like her - they are on the forefront with their people trying to make them understand their priorities should be education and not guns, and Pakistanis need to get over the fact that the West likes her.

So the west likes her and she speaks sense, therefore we should kick her out of the scene and spit on her?

A country like this, that sees something good for itself, and still spits on it...a people like this are ONLY ASKING for a Taliban type regime. Let those people have it, and let them cry. Like seriously make a village, let Fazlullah run it, and put all those sympathetic in it, and let them all behead each other until no one is left.

Then maybe the rest of us can live in peace.

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At the expense of sounding ridiculous, I would also add, they raise a yateem child of a militant. It might help break this cycle of hatred.

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VEry good article. touching the core of our problems. Our army need to stop creating forces to fight other countries. That only give birth to hatred. Look at situation in BD , our army men now have normal relations with BD army men but the Al-shams and Al-badr remains will never be accepted and these created monsters sooner will be out of control by Army.

Look how Col. Imam was killed by Taliban .. If any one know the relations between taliban and Col. Imam no one can even imagine the same. He was their Per-o- murshid ???

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Islamic scholars that beleive in more logical interpretation of Islamic texts like Ghamdi, Zaheer need to be promoted.

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Those scholars will not produce suicide bombers, mujahideen type fighters, or fighters of any kind for that matter.

No real muslim is gonna strap on bombs and go where you tell them, because you're told it's a jihad and you'll go to heaven if you fight and hell if you don't.

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Pakistan has created a frankenstein girlfriend, and can't stop sleeping with her. It's that simple.

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Its time to kill this frankenstein or be consumed by it.

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Good post PD. Here are two suggestions for the common folks reading this.

  • STOP GIVING CHARITY TO YOUR LOCAL MULLAH. STOP GIVING TO MOSQUES. You dont know where this money is going. Dont give these mullah's any food. Dont give them your qurbani ki khal. NOTHING. Let these fat bast*ards earn a living like the rest of us. If you are still inclined to give your mullah money then shoot your own kid in the head first so they dont have to.

  • STOP BUILDING MORE MOSQUES AND MADRASSAHS. WE HAVE ENOUGH. If you want to build, build more hospitals and schools that teach you real education and a skill to improve your own life and others.

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So true. Money should go into building schools now, no more donations to masjids. Plenty of scam found abroad where mosque donation money was finding itself to terrorist hands. I agree no more.

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very gandhi-esque. i think he recommended something similar to the victims of pre-partition communal riots.

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Yes, US of A gave us a blue print in fighting these SOBs. Follow the money. Disrupt then destroy those who feed the beast and live off of it.

Kill them first choice - if not lock them up for life in a god forsaken place like Gitmo. Pakistan should also open up a resort like Gitmo for these bastar*ds who we cant charge readily. Like the pig mullah from Lal Masjid. Keep them there for life. However, this requires a Government serious in fighting this. I am not convinced Nawaz Govt is capable.

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Not sure about radicalization but for getting rid of terrorism, I thing we need to concentrate on three things: capability, incentive, and opportunity. I think I read something about incentive and opportunity a few days ago so may be my idea is inspired from that. Basically they are striking at us because they are capable of doing so, because they are motivated to do so and because we provide them easy opportunities to do so. Get rid of either of these, and it will stop.

Capability: The terrorists are striking us because they are capable of doing so. Reduce their capability by identifying and destroying their money and ammunition trails, and training centers. When they won't be capable, they won't strike at us. Introduce and implement laws so that each and every transaction of money can be tracked and introduce and implement laws to make the availability of bomb making material impossible or at least difficult. Get rid of 'ilaaqa e ghair'. Offer a referendum to tribal areas. Either make it a separate province or a part of KPK. Get the government machinery there: police, judiciary, universities, industries etc.

Incentive: They strike us because they are motivated by the jihadist narrative. Counter it with a better, more sensible narrative. The other incentive could be that a common man in Pakistan does not feel a part of the system. He feels useless. Give him some self-respect. Introduce local government so that at least a common man feels that he has a say in the affairs of his street/village. Make him feel important. I remember, when we were kids, we'd curse the politicians. We'd say the solution to all the problems of Pakistan is making all the politicians stand in line and shooting them. They represented the system and that is the only way we thought we could change the system. We hated it and those who represented it. I studied in an Army Public School and our teachers used to tell us of the heroism of the jihadis. We were taught that one muslims is equal to 100 Hindus and that Hindus are tang-nazar and that the Kuffaar are our enemies. We were raised thinking the world is an arena of Muslim vs Kuffar battle. Let's stop poisoning the brains of our kids and teach them of diversity and acceptance of other religions and human beings. A common Pakistani man is raised with the motivation of 'islam ka dunya pe ghalba'. It's no surprise that we see soo many young terrorists.

Opportunity: They strike us because we give them easy opportunities to do so. We need to beef up the security of our key installations, highways etc. We need to be more vigilant. Modernize and equip the police. Improve patrolling of Pak-Afghan border. Give the police modern communication, forensics, and weapons. Raise their strength. Even if they are capable of hitting us and are motivated but if we don't give them the opportunity, they won't be able to strike us.

Just my few cents.

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Not sure about that. But, I am sure the idea must have originally come from him or the likes of him. Recently, I learnt about the idea of ‘breaking the chain of hatred’ from a foreign movie ‘Incendies’ (Incendies (2010) - IMDb). So perhaps a very filmy idea : )

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A very sensible post. The focus on terror is exactly the need of the hour.

Insofar as changing the narrative is concern, we need to do more. We need to foster a sense of civic responsibility, identity and duty. And we need to demand the same of our leaders. When the terrorism problem is gone, the inherent corruption, state within a state, and so on will remain. It's exactly this nonsense that has led Pakistanis to be so lax about the sanctity of the state. It's this mentality that is letting all and sundry run roughshod over it. This speaks, I think, to the attitude of cursing politicians. We see examples all over us over what power vacuums do. It's horrible...beyond a nightmare. We need to work with the system as it is. The idea of Pakistan is beautiful on paper. We don't need grand visions and revolutions of any sort to fix it. Sadly, we need the state to apply it's power to clean up a horrible mess, and we need the citizens to watch over this.