I support social drinking.
so what are peoples views/opinions of those who socialise with people in pubs/clubs etc but do not actually drink alcohol?
Shahreen
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IF THEREWAS INSURANCE AGAINST VULNABRILITY TO DRINKING ALCOHOL,SUCH PPL WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO PAY ,MUCH HIGHER MONTHLY PREMIUMS BEING HIGH RISK SUBJECTS
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Some ppl. know how to make excuses SO WELL that they do not know anything else.
The west is working double hard to abstain ,we thibnk its the alcohol that stand between us & them
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“One of the characteristics of healthy cultures is that they can poke fun at themselves.”
Most of my friends drink socially: a few glasses of wine for dinner, a coupla beers while toolin' around to "loosen" up. As for myself, I was never as enamoured by drinking as were my peers. I don't see the point in really striving to enjoy yourself by having your senses dulled by alcohol. I'd imagine you would WANT your wits about you. Besides, if you're not having fun in the first place, with company and environment that you yourself picked out, then what are you doing there? But I digress.
For someone so sensitive to smell, the olfactory assault of stale booze (not to mention its bodily counterpart) is unbearable.
Last but not least, I try to stay active and treat my body well. Alcohol is a poison and in large amounts, will kill. That's enough for me to abstain.
RP: frat parties used to be a lot of fun. Although, I always felt as though, one might limit his social circle by pledging and associating with just one group. Nonetheless, must have taken resilience to deflect any kind of temptation as most of the frats are about drinking and partying only.
Shahreen: good question as to what you should do when you are at a gathering or a party where alcohol is consumed whole
heartedly. You just don't drink .There's nothing wrong with socializing to an extent.
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*RP: frat parties used to be a lot of fun. Although, I always felt as though, one might limit his social circle by pledging and associating with just one group. Nonetheless, must have taken resilience to deflect any kind of temptation as most of the frats are about drinking and partying only.
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AK: Your right. I joined frats because I felt that I wanted to be part of that networking. I was very forsighted in that matter to know about the workings of the world and establishin g a good social network. By no means did I limit myself, my schools frat system was very loosely organized so I ended up meeting many more people outside of my brothers. Needless to say it was a pretty tough battle when the pretty girl youve been eyeing comes to you with an extra beer in hand for you.
Probably because I saw the frat- drinking which is to the extreme, was kinda the turnoff. Most of my coworkers go out to the pub after work and while I do join them there, I go for a soft drink. Lately things have gotten better as a few of my friends have dropped alcohol altogether.
What I am trying to say is not some heavy handed moralizing rather an acceptance for reality. The biggest challenge for us is to stay away from the stuff while enduring social pressures and curiosities. Take it one day at a time, and you'll feel better for it.
Btw: Same applies for tobacco, cigs etc.
The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.
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Originally posted by RajputFury:
** AK: Most of my coworkers go out to the pub after work and while I do join them there, I go for a soft drink. **
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this is what I was talking about, I have many muslims friends who still go to pubs and don't consume alcohol but I have also heard that the fact that you are actually in the pub itself is against Islam even thogh you yourself are not drinking alcohol.
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Originally posted by RajputFury:
** AK: Most of my coworkers go out to the pub after work and while I do join them there, I go for a soft drink. **
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this is what I was talking about, I have many muslims friends who still go to pubs and don't consume alcohol but I have also heard that the fact that you are actually in the pub itself is against Islam even thogh you yourself are not drinking alcohol.
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Originally posted by shahreen:
** this is what I was talking about, I have many muslims friends who still go to pubs and don't consume alcohol but I have also heard that the fact that you are actually in the pub itself is against Islam even thogh you yourself are not drinking alcohol.**
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It is against Islam..im in a bit of a hurry so i cant find the hadith to quote but i think you'r not supposed to go to a place where they serve alcohol on the table...
alcohol is a waste ofmoney.
please refrain from buying alcohol nd putting money into the hands of those that wish to enslave you
alcohol is also a waste of brain cells
Better to die 1000 times in glory than live without honor-Louis VI
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Originally posted by Chaltahai:
There is something about a doubleshot of JW Blue. or a glass of Chateau Leffite (sp) with a good steak. People, let's not confuse moderation with overindulgence.
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How can moderation be possible with a substance that is clearly forbidden to muslims?
- "O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything." (33:40)
"The Hour will not come ... until nearly thirty "dajjals" (liars) appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
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Originally posted by shahreen:
** this is what I was talking about, I have many muslims friends who still go to pubs and don't consume alcohol but I have also heard that the fact that you are actually in the pub itself is against Islam even thogh you yourself are not drinking alcohol.**
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I don't see it as an issue. Since college days I have been around people who are drinkers, both Muslim and Non-Muslim, they are good people-- my friends. If drinking is their thing then so be it. It has never been my cup of tea (literally) so it never became an issue. A lot of our work related discussions, opportunties for career advancement actually occur after work, it is a Western cultural issue.
Please give me Quranic sources prohibiting going into a pub (i e 'Place of Alcohol'). Seriously though, if one doesn't wish to even be involved in these matters, one should not be living in Western society. On second thought, as Zakk mentioned, this situation is prevalent in Pakistan as well. So I guess your stuck then.
The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.
I don't know what all the fuss is about. For me it simply boils down to one's mental strength - willpower (some may read this as faith). I attend social events in and outside of the workplace and have always found alternatives to alcahol available at these events. Often I go to the pub with my colleagues when its someones leaving do for example, and get by on OJs, Cokes etc. I still end up having a good time and am not frowned upon by my friends/colleagues for not drinking. They understand and make me feel part of the group. A lot of client meetings that I attend are typically followed by a trip down to the pub or restaurant where alcahol is the order of the day...but I stick to my OJ/coke/mineral water and everyone is happy.
The ironic thing is that it is my Muslim friends who make me feel that what I am doing is wrong. They know that I do not drink but they feel that I should not attend these functions/events etc. They think it is wrong for me to set foot inside a pub, etc. However, what they fail to realise is that this is part and parcel of the work environment and if I do not participate (not in the drinking but in the event) then I am drawing even more attention to myself by being labelled 'anti social' or 'loner' etc.
Is it just me or can anyone else relate to my experience? I guess this would be difficult for folks in Pakistan to understand but I would have thought folks in the west would ceratinly know where I am coming from here.
I used to hang with my Paki friends when I was in Australia. I used to go to clubs and bars with them and they were heavy drinker. But I never even touched a bottle of bear. They used to stress and try to buy me drink I always refused, at one time when we were in a club they tried to make me get drunk by giving some sort of white wine or something it was white in color and said drink this its just milk but I refused to drink. Glad Allah protected me even though I was so close to be easily adicted to drinking.
Question: You didn't have a drink because you might have been addicted?
Do you live in a bubble?
Question, but surely the fact that you were in the bar surrounded by people drinking alcohol (even though you weren't) is wrong in Islam?
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Originally posted by shahreen:
Question, but surely the fact that you were in the bar surrounded by people drinking alcohol (even though you weren't) is wrong in Islam?
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I agree with you and that was something in the past I don't do that anymore cuz I realize its not the right thing to do. As far as I can remember the reason I used to go to clubs with my friends cuz I used to like dance and like to do pondi which I don't do anymore.
Chaltahai: No that was not the reason I just could not stand the smell of wine, bear or what ever and same goes for smoke. I even tried smoking but for some reason every time I tried to smoke I get a real bad bad headache and with drinking for some reason I never liked it but surely there was nothing about getting addicted in my mind.
I live in USA now.
I don't think so Mr. Najim. Your statement that 90% people go through the same is total bull-**** . Speak for yourself. I am a muslim and have many muslim friends, non smoke or drink. Yes I agree their are the weak kind that have no will power and fall for a drink or two.
In my opion those who fall prey to the drinking habbit are losers.
Someone asked the question about drinking without getting drunk is it OK. That is non-sense. Any form of entoxication is forbidden.
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Originally posted by MShafiq:
I don't think so Mr. Najim. Your statement that 90% people go through the same is total bull-** . Speak for yourself. I am a muslim and have many muslim friends, non smoke or drink. Yes I agree their are the weak kind that have no will power and fall for a drink or two.
In my opion those who fall prey to the drinking habbit are losers.
Someone asked the question about drinking without getting drunk is it OK. That is non-sense. Any form of entoxication is forbidden.**
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wow...thats right.....
In my opion those who fall prey to the drinking habbit are losers.
In my opinion people who issue asinine statements like the above are losers themselves. Who the heck are you to decide people's character based on your own friggin' religious convictions? I say you keep your religion shoved in where it belongs before issuing character certificates to people just because they drink. This is as moronic as treating people who drink like "plague".
I don't care if people bash drinking. Drinking IS bad, no argument there. What is moronic is ridding the high horse of self-righteousness and issue fatwas on people's characters promoting your ownself above the others.
People are equally free to drink or not to drink. Their body, their morality, their choice as long as their drinking doesn't harm anyone else.