http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020107/pl/southasia_bush_pakistanis_dc_1.html
Apparently Pakistanis have an objection to being called Pakis !!
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Is it only Pakistanis settled in UK that have this objection or is it a general objection?
If you don’t want Paki what do you want to be called as ?
I object to being called a Paki just as you would be offended if I called you a Banya.
Makes sense? If not come back for more and I'll be glad to open up your mind further.
Makes absolutely no sense. I am not a Baniya for your information.
Anyway calling a Banya a Banya is no insult.
By the way, why are you resorting to name calling by Caste? Are you still a Hindu or what?
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For your information Banya have a lot of good qualities. They found good institutions like BITS Pilani.
What have the rest of communities to show for themselves?
It's no big deal. I don't like Bush but it obviously wasn't intended to be offensive. so you can calm down Anda.
I am always calm Xtreme Bhai.
But still, why do Paks object to being called Paks any way?
Why is it insulting?
He opened his stupid mouth yet again. The guy is as dumb as they come. Even though he is handling the current War on terrorism quite effectively (thanks to his advisors) but he has a lot to learn when it comes to cultural and socio cultural norms of world at large. The biggest goof he made was when he addressed the King of Spain as “Hey Buddy” at a conference somewhere in Europe. I agree with Xtreme that he didn’t mean it to be a pejorative so he is forgiven.
Andhra you asked why object to being called a Paki? Well, the English use this terms in a derogatory manner to refer to people of the Indian Sub Continent (a reference to Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans and Algerians and contrary to popular belief it is not a short-cut way of referring to Pakistanis alone – just as Nigger is offensive in the US even though Nigoritte is not) therefore it is objectionable. If Blair would have used this term, he would be killed, but Bush is forgiven solely for the reasons stated above.
NYPaki
NYA is right, in England, lot's of Indians have been called Paki as people can't really tell the difference, but this is restricted to deprived areas mostly, and it's something that is on the decline. Similar to red-neck areas of the US i guess.
I think it's a shame that Pakis has become seen as an insult, there would be nothing wrong with it if it didn't have these connotations.
Well, more noise is being made about the issue. http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/epaper/editions/today/news_c3b3be90d42e22dc0037.html
NY Ahmadi & Xtrme Bhai didn’t know we were branded together with Pakistanis!!!
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Any way coming from George W. I will ignore it, if I were a Pakistani.
Talking about George W. and seeing there is a big Desi community in the medicine field, can somebody enlighten Guppies as to what his problem is?
I mean, he seems to have a huge difficulty putting two sentences together.
Like my nephew said, ‘The sad part is I can spot the errors in his spoken English and I am in 9th Grade!!’
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What is called Cognitive disability, Dyslexia, what?
Open a new post if you want and remember you are talking to a lot of software guys here.
Andhra its kind of the way you use it, the low class english pommies chose to make this an insult. I personally dont mind..pomms dont have much of a clue about what they say anyways.
To give you an example, in middle east they use words like rafeeq and sadeeq for pakistanis and indians respectively, even though the actual meanings of the words are companion and friend..but its used in an offensive manner with bad intent.
I personally like the word paki, its kewl, short packs a punch kinda like aussie
I don't see the problem with the word Paki. I am a Paki as far as the Westerners go since they like to shorten some of the names of places. They are calling Saudi Arabia as Saudi.
But by the same token, in places like N.Y, a similar term "Hindu" was used to refer to all South Asians in a derogatory term. There was a deep seated resentment against them in how they were taking over the streetside businesses. That was the 'rave' back in 70's. I guess the term 'Paki' is used in similar fashion in areas under/influenced by the British.
One thing I have never understood is why the word 'Paki' took off in British areas. I believe they have (or had) the same problem up in Canada. Atleast in Britain, Indians had settled far before then the 'Pakis'. How come the resentment against the South Asian is represented by the use of the word 'Paki' and not 'Indian' or 'Hindu', as in N.Y.?
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The word in the uk is attached forever with a lot of racial violence which hit it's peak in the mid-80's. For a non-pakistani to call a Pakistani a Paki is still considered extremely offensive this side of the pond despite it's meaning. Just like the Nazi's called jews jews...it's who's saying it and what manner!!.
But Bush...well he couldn't ne offensive if he tried....annoying yes, offensive no.
i dont see any prob in pakistani being called pakis
well blacks were far more out raged by being called a nigger but the present generation of blacks in usa have no probs with the word
nigger. or they dont take the offence to the word that their fore fathers whould have taken.
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Kabir. Do you know where USA is?
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Originally posted by kabir:
i dont see any prob in pakistani being called pakis
well blacks were far more out raged by being called a nigger but the present generation of blacks in usa have no probs with the word
nigger
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blacks in usa have no probs with the word
nigger
Wanna Bet, Boy and the N word is very offensive to blacks in the US even today. We should call Pakistani's just Pakistani. Its not that much longer.
We shouldn't call blacks the N word, just like we wouldn't like to be called Honki's. Just another RACIAL problem, that will always continue as long as there are IGNORANT people in the world.
I am a Arab a Yemeni and at times I hear yum yum and dumb things like that, but I really dont get mad, I dont really care, and not to mention I am a Arab and now its "terrorist", so what. As long as I am a MUSLIM. They call Palestine Plo's, Pakistanis, Pakis, Saudi Arabians Saudis and etc.... I see no harm in that, but if it gets too much then hey its not like I cant say another back!
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
Kabir. Do you know where USA is?
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DO YOU WHERE GURDASPUR IS?
Kabir being ignorant is all right unless you have an attitude when people point out your stupidity.
Don’t forget we know the background of each other a little on this Bulletin Board from the information we volunteer.
I don’t think you lived for any length of time in the US. For your information
1.Don’t say ‘Black’. People prefer to say ‘African American’.
2.Don’t use the ‘N’ word. Africann Americans have a real objection to any body but a fellow African American using that word.
Get hold of a copy of ‘Rush Hour’ by Jackie Chan. You will see what happens when an outsider uses the word.
Its the same as calling a sardar as SARDAR..
andhra ... anna you dont have to be in usa to know where new york is
the word nigger is a grave insult to the blacks i know that but the fact of the matter is that the present generation of african americans dont react in the manner in which thier fore fathers would have reacted to the word
Kabir they absolutely do and they are even more sensitive about it. Believe me.