So, Who is a Hindu?

Nice article on those want to know about Hinduism.

I was born in a household which called itself ‘Gursikh’, a term which was used for people who believed in the Sikh holy book, Guru Granth Saheb, and the teachings of the ten Sikh gurus but did not adopt the five-Ks that are the distinguishing marks of every Sikh. Our father would get up at 4 O’Clockin the morning and, after taking a bath, would recite for three hours memorized portions of the holy scripture prescribed for devout Sikhs. As a child, I would wake up in the morning to the rich resonance of my father’s reciting the verses of that holy book. Our grandfather would visit the neighbourhood gurudwara every morning and bring daily ‘parshad’ for us. As a child, I was also made to memorise the Sikh “mool mantar” , which every Sikh knows as well as a Muslim knows his Kalma/Kalima.

And yet I knew that I was not a Sikh. There was no Singh at the end of my name. We never visited a Hindu mandir but celebrated all Hindu festivals, such as Dussehra, Diwali, Holi or Raakhi. My first encounter with the Hindu religion was not through a priest but a barber, who shorn me of my birth hair. And this was about it until I got married. The only other thing that I knew about the Hindu relgion were the stories from Ramayana and Mahabharat.

When I became a teenager, I got a bit curious about the religion with which my name identified me. Since then, I have read quite a bit about the Hindu relgion, but I am still not quite sure that I fully understand the relgion or what it stands for. But I have come to form a personal view of what this relgion stands for. This article is a description of that understanding.

When I think of Hinduism, the Sanskrit words “neti, neti” come to mind. In describing God, the Upanishadas do not refer to God in positive terms, but as “it’s not this, it’s not this (neither this nor that)”. The concept was much used by the famous Hindu sage, Sankara. “Thus, the Divine is not real as we are real, nor is it unreal. The divine is not living in the sense humans live, nor is it dead. The Divine is not compassionate as we use the term, nor is it uncompassionate. And so on. We can never truly define God in words. All we can do is say, it isn’t this, but also, it isn’t that either".

I feel the same way, when I try to describe Hinduism. Is it a Religion? The answer is that it’s not a Religion in the sense most people think of religions, yet, one cannot say that it is not a religion. Is it a philosophy? No, it is not a unique philosophy, yet it is full of rich philosophies? Does it have a Holy Scripture? No, it does not have The Scripture, but it has many scriptures which have a sacred status. Is it a Faith? No, it is not a Faith in the sense of a faith in a Holy Book or a Messenger of God, and yet, most Hindus do have a profound faith…and so on and so forth.

So, how does one define the Hindu relgion? I think that the best way to describe it is that it is a congregation or an umbrella of faiths or, as Atal Bihari Vajpayee once said, it is a commonwealth of religions, which existed on the Indian subcontinent when the people of this region first came into contact with outsiders. Another way of saying this is that it is an accumulation of spiritual doctrines/philosophies propounded by various sages on the Indian subcontinent. As is well-known, the word “Hindu” itself is given to us by outsiders. People from the other side of the river Sindh, or Sindhu, called the inhabitants of this region Hindus, as they pronounced “S” as “H”. The Rig-Veda describes the area as “Sapt-Sindhus” (seven rivers) and the old Zorastrian text mentions them as “Haft-Hindus”.

Does the concept of “Neti, neti” apply to this definition of Hinduism also? Yes, it does! When we talk of “umbrella of faiths”, we should realize that this umbrella also includes people without any faith. An important branch of Hinduism is “Sankhya”, founded by Sage Kapila. According to some Sankhya proponents, “There has no philosophical place for a creationist God in this system”. The Samkhyan’s argue that the existence of Ishvara cannot be proved and hence cannot be admitted to exist. This school also argues that an unchanging Ishvara as the cause cannot be the source of a changing world as the effect.

One of the great proponents of the Sankhya school was Charvak, a contemporary/adversary of Buddha. While traditional Hindu sages believed the universe to be made of five basic elements – earth, water, air, fire and sky (ether), Charvak accepted only the first four. He said that he would accept as truth only what could be perceived; since he could not touch, smell or feel sky, he could not consider it as a basic element. For the same reason, Charvak did not believe in soul (atman), nor did he believe in the caste system, as it depended upon the theory of reincarnation, but he did believe in the theory of Karma as a determinator of cause and consequence in this life. Incidentally, Buddha, too, was agnostic but, unlike Charvak, he did believe in reincarnation. Thus, Charvak’s Lokayukta philosophy should be considered less “Hindu” than Jainism, Buddhism or Sikhism, none of which challenged the Vedic philosophy of Karma and reincarnation.

Hindu Dharma

There is no word in the Indian native languages for Religion, or its Arabic equivalent, Madhab. It is commonly and erroneously translated as “Dharma”, which is better translated as the “right path” or ‘right way of living’, ‘proper conduct’, ‘duty’ or 'righteousness”. The closest name for Religion that comes to my mind is Panth, which is generally associated with a founder, such as the Sikh Panth, Budh Panth, Jain Panth or Kabir Panth.

The correct name for what is known as Hindu Religion is Sanatan Dharma, which roughly translates into “eternal law”. As was said earlier, it encompasses a wide variety of faiths. A Hindu can believe in one or more gods or no god at all. Most Hindus, however, do believe in the concept of Karma, reincarnation and Moksha. Hindus include believers in monotheism, monoism, pantheism and atheism. It would perhaps be accurate to say that most Hindus believe in One God while also accepting the existence of other gods.

Sacred Books

Shrutis
Hindu sacred books can be divided into two main categories –shrutis and smritis. Shrutis -that which is heard - are the four basic books of the Hindus, i.e., the Vedas and their ancillaries, the Upanishadas. They are called shrutis because they are not attributed to any humans and are considered as divine revelations by most Hindus. Their content is considered to be eternal and valid for all times and all places. There are four Vedas, namely Rig, Sam, Yajur and Athar. Of these, the oldest and the most important is Rigveda which consists of 10,589 verses in 1028 hymns in praise of various gods, such as Indra, Agni, Vayu and Rudra.

A sub-category of Vedas is Upanishads (meaning sitting down beside), which are also known as Vedanta. They primarily discuss philosophy, meditation and the nature of God. The Upanishadas were written after the Vedas and are generally considered to be a part of the Vedas. The exact number of Upanishadas is unknown – the Mughal Prince, Dara Shikoh, translated 50 Upanishadas into Persian in 1659; the Muktika Upanishad counts 108 Upanishadas; Max Mueller in 1879 was aware of 170 and there are other counts of more than 200 or even 300 Upanishadas.

Upanishadas, being non-ritualistic and more philosophical in nature, have played a more important role as the basis of the reformist Hindu movements led by such reformers as Swami Vivekananda and Swami Dayananda. “The Upanishadas hold information on basic Hindu beliefs, including belief in a world soul, a universal spirit, Brahman, and an individual soul, Atman. In Sanskrit, the word Brahman has two genders (masculine, Brahmâ, the creator-god or Brahmn, neuter, the Absolute). A variety of lesser gods are seen as aspects of this one divine ground, Brahman (different from Brahma). Brahman is the ultimate, both transcendent and immanent, the absolute infinite existence, the sum total of all that ever is, was, or ever shall be.” The word ‘aum’ also first appears in Upanishadas, as does the mantra of tranquility “aum, shanti aum”.

Smritis
Smritis are secondary to the Vedas in importance. Smriti means that which is remembered (as opposed to that which is heard). They are not considered divine or eternal and are relevant only for the time and age for which they were written. According to wikipedia, “classifying the Smriti has been a contentious issue, even the names of proposed categories are debated. One such taxonomy follows:
1.Dharmasastra or the laws. These are 18 books, each of which corresponds to an age of time.
2.Itihasa or the histories. These consist of 4 books, which include the Mahakavyas, or Epics Mahabharata and the Ramayana.
3.Purana or the writings. These are eighteen in number. They are secondary scriptures that mainly focus on Vishnu or Shiva as the preferred supreme Deity.
4.Vedanga. There are six constituents of vedas: the Shiksha, Vyakarana, Chandas, Nirukta, Jyotisha, & Kalpa.
5.Agama or the doctrines. These are three major divisions by doctrine: the Vaisnava, Saiva, and Sakta. Another way of grouping them is by Mantra, Tantra, and Yantra.
6.Darsana (aka Dyasana) or philosophies. This is represented by six schools of thought: Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Sankhya, Yoga, Purva Mimamsa, & Uttara Mimamsa (aka Vedanta).

One of the best known, and most controversial, smriti, is the Manu Smriti, which is in the category of Dharmasastras. When the British rulers decided to formulate laws for Indians according to their religious faiths, they chose Manu Smriti as a legal code for the Hindus. This was not really quite accurate, as Manu’s laws were meant for the Satyug; for the Kalyug, the appropriate dharmasastra is supposed to be by Parasara. The Dharmasastras are supposed to be updated to take into account the changing temporal needs; by this token, one might call The Hindu Code Bill, the modern dharmasastra by “Maharishi” Ambedkar.

Six Philosophical Schools
Most sources refer to six schools of theistic (astik) Hindu philosophy. There are in addition, non-theistic schools, such as Buddhism, Jainism and Lokayukta. I am not sure that I fully understand the subtle differences between the various schools, but they vary from the almost agnostic Sankhya to the bhakti flavour, which is part of the Yoga school. I have here reproduced a summary of these six schools from an Internet source, without any comment. [source: [The "Six Schools" of India, China, and Japan]]

S.ad.darshana, the “Six Schools” or “Six Doctrines” of “orthodox” Indian philosophy are the schools that accept the authority of the Vedas and thus religiously are considered part of Hinduism. Accepting the authority of the Vedas, however, does not mean actually using them. Mîmâm.sâ and Vedânta are specially the schools of interpretation of the Vedas; the other four are based on independent reasoning. “Heterodox” schools, which reject the authority of the Vedas, are found in separate religions, like Buddhism and Jainism, or with the rare, reviled “materialists,” whose own texts have all been lost. The treatment follows P. T. Raju’s The Philosophical Traditions of India [University of Pittsburgh Press, 1971, p. 35].

  1. Mîmâm.sâ, “Interpretation,” or Pûrva Mîmâm.sâ, “Prior Interpretation,” the School of Interpretation of the Karmakân.d.a, the “action part,” or first half, of the Vedas. Mîmâm.sâ originates fairly early, perhaps the 2nd century BC, since it is no more than an extension of the task of explaining the Vedas, a project that started in the Vedas themselves with the Brâhmanas. The doctrine of the eternity of the Vedas was argued by this school, and it mostly confined itself to promoting the sanctity and power of the Vedas. The school later was practically absorbed into Vedânta.
  2. Vedânta, “End of the Vedas,” or the Uttara Mîmâm.sâ, “Posterior Interpretation,” the School of Interpretation of the Jñanakân.d.a, the “knowledge part,” or second half, of the Vedas, i.e. the Forest Treatises and especially the Upanis.ads. Vedânta starts relatively late, since it picks up where the Upanis.ads leave off, and there may be Upanis.ads as late as 200 AD. Vedânta then sets down to interpret its fundamental texts, which include the Upanis.ads, the Bhagavad Gîta, and the Brahma Sûtras of Bâdarâyan.a, which were themselves written in the 1st or 2nd century AD and might be regarded as the first document of Vedânta itself. The variety of schools in Vedânta is indicated elsewhere, but it is worth noting that the influence of Buddhism still seems very strong in the classic expression of Advaita Vedânta in Shan.kara (c.788-820). Later forms of Vedânta became steadily more theistic and dualistic and thus approximated to Islâm rather than to Buddhism.
  3. Sânkhya, “Counting, Reckoning, Reasoning, Knowledge,” the School of Theoretical Knowledge. Sânkhya may well be the oldest school independent of the Vedas, growing up contemporaneously with the Upanis.ads themselves. It is argued by some that the Bhagavad Gîta was originally a popular exposition of the doctrine of the Sânkhya School, although the text is later dominated by theistic and devotionalistic additions. For our purposes, the salient features of Sânkhya doctrine are the theory of the gun.as, which was later accepted by all orthodox philosophy, and the principle that the self (or soul, the âtman or, in Sânkhya terminology, the purus.a) neither affects nor is affected by the world of nature (called prakr.ti in Sânkhya terminology). Sânkhya was originally atheistic, with an infinite number of souls, like Jainism. In the Gîta we see the role of Sânkhya changing from the theoretical counterpart to Yoga (in Chapter 2) to an independent yoga in its own right, jñanayoga (in Chapter 3). Jñanayoga in effect becomes simply Yoga, as follows; and historically the role of Sânkhya as the theoretical counterpart to Yoga is effectively taken over by Vedânta.
  4. Yoga, “Yoking, Vehicle, Equipment, Discipline,” the School of the Discipline of Achieving Liberation. The Yoga School is to be carefully distinguished from disciplines that are yogas in the general sense of the word yoga, which is any means of achieving salvation. Thus, there are the three yogas of the Bhagavad Gîta (jñânayoga, karmayoga, bhaktiyoga), which are meant as classifications of all yogas, and also various yogas that are usually part of some higher order yoga: dhyânayoga, meditation (mentioned in the Gîta); hat.hayoga, yogic exercises; prân.ayoga, yogic breathing; aus.adhayoga, taking drugs (not a common or esteemed method); mantrayoga, chanting sacred words or phrases; layayoga, the yoga of “dissolution”; etc. Tantrism employs sexual practices for yogic purposes. The method of the Yoga School in particular is sometimes called Râjayoga, the “royal yoga.” The Yoga School based its practice on the doctrine of the Sânkhya School, and the aim of its methods (hat.hayoga, etc.) was to quiet prakr.ti, nature as it exists in the body, so that, like a calm body of water, the body can reflect the true remote and detached nature of the purus.a, effecting liberation. The definitive and most famous statement of Yoga doctrine was in the Yoga Sûtras of Patañjali, perhaps in the 2nd century BC. Patañjali added a personal God to Sânkhya doctrine; but the system is not devotionalistic, and the God exists only as an exemplar of detachment, not as an active or creative Deity after the manner of Vis.n.u or Shiva.
  5. Nyâya, “Analysis,” the School of Logic, and
  6. Vaishes.ika, “Individual Characteristics,” the School of Pluralistic Metaphysics, are closely related minor schools. The relation of the doctrine of these schools to salvation is obscure and secondary. They concerned themselves much more with abstract issues of logic, epistemology, and metaphysics. Vaishes.ika in particular held that reality was an infinite number of atom-like entities, although these were then distinct from souls. This pluralism is similar to the teaching of two early schools of Buddhist philosophy, the Sautrântikas and Vaibhâs.ikas, who held that reality consists of an infinite number of momentary entities, the dharmas.”

Hinduism and Caste

The influence of caste is pervasive in the Hindu society and, indeed, transcends religion and affects even non-Hindu Indians, such as Sikhs, Muslims and Christians. This is a vast subject which deserves a separate discussion, but no exposition of Hinduism can be complete without a reference to it. I am restricting myself in this presentation to merely referring to the two popular sources of the caste system, also known as the Varna prasthithi or system.

We should first recognize the difference between Varna system and jaati (zaat in popular usage). The Varna system divides the society into four classes whereas jaati further subdivides people according to their occupation.

One of the popular sources for the varna system is found in the Rigveda. According to it, when Brahma decided to create humans, he took different parts of his body to create the human; from his head came the Brahmins, from his arm the Kshatriyas, from his thighs the Vaisyas and from his feet the Shudras; the hierarchy of a varna is associated with the part of Brahma from which it was created. This theory only explains the varnas but not the jaatis. It also does not explain the so-called untouchables who are outside the varna system altogether.

The second popular explanation of the caste system is socio-historical. According to this source, the caste system owes its origin to the conquest of North India by the Aryans (it should be noted that the theory of Aryan invasion has recently become highly controversial and is hotly contested by many who claim that Aryans did not come from the outside but were original inhabitants of North India). According to this theory, the Aryans came to India from South Europe and North Asia and were light skinned (varna means the colour of the skin in sanskrit, for example gaur varna for fair skin and shyam varna means dark skin) whereas the original inhabitants were Dravidians who were dark skinned. The Aryans divided themselves into three varnas, the twice-born (dwijyas) – namely, the Brahmins, the Kshatrias and the Vaisyas while the original inhabitants became peasants and artisans and were further classified according to their occupation. Many aboriginal inhabitants remained outside the varna system and became “untouchable”.

So, Who is a Hindu?

I will conclude by giving my own definition of a Hindu: In my understanding, a Hindu is someone who may believe in one or more gods or goddesses or not believe in any god at all, but he does not claim to have a monopoly over the Absolute Truth and is willing to give the same respect to the validity of others’ beliefs as to his own. In other words, Hinduism lacks the certitude of the three Abrahmic faiths, namely, Judaism, Christianity and Islam and, maybe, also of Sikhism.

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As-Salam-o-Alaikum
(May Peace and Blessing be on you)

Very nice and detailed read, indeed. But i’ve read elsewhere the actual word “Hindu” and “Hinduism” are the products of British rule. Hindus did not call themselves Hindus before that.

It was all foreigners that called them Hindus, as in the residents of Hindustan.

I’m sure you knew..but just thought i’d share that with you. As i find out more, i’ll share with you friends again. :slight_smile:

“[There was] no such thing as Hinduism before the British invented the holdall category in the early nineteenth century, and made India seem the home of a ‘world religion’ as organised and theologically coherent as Christianity and Islam. The concepts of a ‘world religion’ and ‘religion’ as we know them now, emerged during the late 18th and early 19th century, as objects of academic study, at a time of widespread secularisation in western Europe. The idea, as inspired by the Enlightenment, was to study religion as a set of beliefs, and to open it up to rational enquiry.”

“According to the New Encyclopedia Britannica 20:581, ‘Hinduism’ was a name given in English language in the Nineteenth Century by the English people to the multiplicity of the beliefs and faiths of the people of the Indus land. The British writers in 1830 gave the word ‘Hinduism’ to be used as the common name for all the beliefs of the people of India excluding the Muslims and converted Christians.”

“According to our ex-President [India] and scholar Dr S Radhakrishnan, the term ‘Hindu’ had originally a territorial and not credal significance. It implies residence in a well-defined geographical area.”
“All scholars agree that the category ‘Hinduism’ is something created by Orientalists. This obviously does not exclude the existence of an Indian spiritual experience. But at a certain point it was decided to use this label, which during Colonialism became a flag for independence, and after that an attempt was made by the people of India to recognize themselves in a common religion.”

“Surprisingly, though Hinduism is a very ancient religion, the word ‘Hinduism’, which today defines it and distinguishes it from the rest of the religions, is of much later origin. In ancient India you had either a yogi, a bhakta, a tantric, a sanyasi, a sankhya vadin, a vedantin, a lokayata, a rishi, a muni, a pandit, a pragna, a yogini, a devi, a swami, a Saivite, a Vaishnavite, a siddha or Buddha, but no Hindu.”

"The Supreme Court [of India] in the course of deciding an appeal in an election petition, has interpreted the meaning of ‘Hindutva’ and ‘Hinduism’ as a “synonym of ‘Indianisation’ – i.e. development of uniform culture by obliterating the differences between all all cultures co-existing in the country.’ The unanimous judgement given by the three-judge bench consisting of Justices J.S. Verma, N.P. Singh and K. Venkataswami, on December 11, 1995, has quoted earlier Supreme Court judgements and opinions of Dr. S. Radhakrishnan, Dr. Toynbee and others in coming to the conclusion that Hinduism represented a way of life.”

http://www.swamij.com/hindu-word.htm

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http://www.chowk.com/articles/13490

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As-Salam-o-Alaikum
(May Peace and Blessing be on you)

Very nice and detailed read, indeed. But i’ve read elsewhere the actual word “Hindu” and “Hinduism” are the products of British rule. Hindus did not call themselves Hindus before that.

It was all foreigners that called them Hindus, as in the residents of Hindustan.

I’m sure you knew..but just thought i’d share that with you. As i find out more, i’ll share with you friends again. :slight_smile:

Yes I think it was called Vedic Religion based on Vedanta Philosophy or Sanatana Dharma.

I feel there needs to be some clarification about the use of the words “Hindu” and “Hinduism.” The fact is that true “Hinduism” is based on Vedic knowledge, which is related to our spiritual identity. Many people do accept it to mean the same thing as Sanatana-dharma, which is a more accurate Sanskrit term for the Vedic path. Such an identity is beyond any temporary names as Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or even Hindu. After all, God never describes Himself as belonging to any such category, saying that He is only a Christian God, or a Muslim God, or a Hindu God. That is why some of the greatest spiritual masters from India have avoided identifying themselves only as Hindus. The Vedic path is eternal, and therefore beyond all such temporary designations. So am I calling the name “Hindu” a temporary designation?

        We must remember that the term “hindu” is not even Sanskrit. Numerous scholars say it is not found in any of the Vedic literature. So how can such a name truly represent the Vedic path or culture? And without the Vedic literature, there is no basis for “Hinduism.” 

        Most scholars feel that the name “Hindu” was developed by outsiders, invaders who could not pronounce the name of the Sindhu River properly. Some sources report that it was Alexander the Great who first renamed the River Sindhu as the Indu, dropping the beginning “S”, thus making it easier for the Greeks to pronounce. This became known as the Indus. This was when Alexander invaded India around 325 B.C. His Macedonian forces thereafter called the land east of the Indus as India, a name used especially during the British regime.

Later, when the Muslim invaders arrived from such places as Afghanistan and Persia, they called the Sindhu River the Hindu River. Thereafter, the name “Hindu” was used to describe the inhabitants from that tract of land in the northwestern provinces of India where the Sindhu River is located, and the region itself was called “Hindustan.” Because the Sanskrit sound of “S” converts to “H” in the Parsee language, the Muslims pronounced the Sindhu as “hindu,” even though at the time the people of the area did not use the name “hindu” themselves. This word was used by the Muslim foreigners to identify the people and the religion of those who lived in that area. Thereafter, even the Indians conformed to these standards as set by those in power and used the names Hindu and Hindustan. Otherwise, the word has no meaning except for those who place value on it or now use it out of convenience.

        Another view of the name “Hindu” shows the confusing nature it causes for understanding the true essence of the spiritual paths of India. As written be R. N. Suryanarayan in his book Universal Religion (p.1-2, published in Mysore in 1952), “The political situation of our country from centuries past, say 20-25 centuries, has made it very difficult to understand the nature of this nation and its religion. The western scholars, and historians, too, have failed to trace the true name of this Brahmanland, a vast continent-like country, and therefore, they have contented themselves by calling it by that meaningless term ‘Hindu’. This word, which is a foreign innovation, is not made use by any of our Sanskrit writers and revered Acharyas in their works. It seems that political power was responsible for insisting upon continuous use of the word Hindu. The word Hindu is found, of course, in Persian literature. Hindu-e-falak means ‘the black of the sky’ and ‘Saturn’. In the Arabic language Hind not Hindu means nation. It is shameful and ridiculous to have read all along in history that the name Hindu was given by the Persians to the people of our country when they landed on the sacred soil of Sindhu.” 

        Another view of the source of the name Hindu is based on a derogatory meaning. It is said that, “Moreover, it is correct that this name [Hindu] has been given to the original Aryan race of the region by Muslim invaders to humiliate them. In Persian, says our author, the word means slave, and according to Islam, all those who did not embrace Islam were termed as slaves.” (Maharishi Shri Dayanand Saraswati Aur Unka Kaam, edited by Lala Lajpat Rai, published in Lahore, 1898, in the Introduction) 

        Furthermore, a Persian dictionary titled Lughet-e-Kishwari, published in Lucknow in 1964, gives the meaning of the word Hindu as “chore [thief], dakoo [dacoit], raahzan [waylayer], and ghulam [slave].” In another dictionary, Urdu-Feroze-ul-Laghat (Part One, p. 615) the Persian meaning of the word Hindu is further described as barda (obedient servant), sia faam (balck color) and kaalaa (black). So these are all derogatory expressions for the translation of the term hindu in the Persian label of the people of India. 

        So, basically, Hindu is merely a continuation of a Muslim term that became popular only within the last 1300 years. In this way, we can understand that it is not a valid Sanskrit term, nor does it have anything to do with the true Vedic culture or the Vedic spiritual path. No religion ever existed that was called “Hinduism” until the Indian people in general placed value on that name and accepted its use. So is it any wonder that some Indian acharyas and Vedic organizations do not care to use the term?

        The real confusion started when the name “Hinduism” was used to indicate the religion of the Indian people. The words “Hindu” and “Hinduism” were used frequently by the British with the effect of focusing on the religious differences between the Muslims and the people who became known as “Hindus”. This was done with the rather successful intention of creating friction among the people of India. This was in accord with the British policy of divide and rule to make it easier for their continued dominion over the country.

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^Right.

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Good account. Thanks.

My be we should add the account of Sarawathi also to complete the picture a bit more, since it has astounding impact on the knowledge of the origin and in fact refutes the Aryan invasion altogether, effectively.

The Vedic civilization started around the Sarawathi river and not the Indus/Sindhu. The Vedas make reference to this river. Since it dried out people forgot about it and without modern imaging technology, the Europeans could not guess it and simply used Indus and weaved the Aryan theory around it.

Recently evidence and images of the Saraswathi's path have been found. This now gives physical evidence that the Vedas are much much older than what was calculated based on the Aryan inavsion theory. In other words, the Vedas cannot be mentioning Saraswathi after thousands of years of its drying up.

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For a person like stephen knapp mentioned in one of the links above, every thing and anything in "hinduism" has some logical reason/justification. He thinks or tells that all is fine in "hinduism". He is only pandering to the pride of egoistic "hindus"!.

and I don't know as to why these kinda threads keep popping up again and again.

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Why does it bother your? If you like it enjoy it; If you don't like it counter it. And if it doesn't interest you, just ignore it!

Any normal person however (ok I don't mean you are a freak or anything) would want to know about his history, ancestors, cultural origins etc. I know why I am keen on these things.

We are fortunate to have come from one of the oldest and richest cultures and yet we know so little about that; even the little bit we know is based on the erroneous research done by Europeans like Max Mueler. So as science and research now start yielding some facts it is fascinating.

Each finding has simply reinforced the pride of our heritage, the advanced knowledge and wisdom that went into our Vedas, our philosophies and our abilities.

So why do these threads pop up? It is a celebration!

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Who is a Hindu?

To understand the concept of ‘Hindu Rashtra’, we first need to understand the meaning of the two words contained in it, ‘Hindu’ and ‘Rashtra’. We begin by understanding the meaning of the word ‘Hindu’.

The origin of the word ‘Hindu’ is purely geographical. The name Sapta-Sindhu is found in the oldest records of the world itself - the Rig-Veda- as an epithet applied to Vedic India. It is well known that the syllable ‘S’ in Sanskrit is at times changed to ‘H’ in some of the Prakrit languages and even in European languages. The ancient Persians referred to the people inhabiting Vedic India as Hapta-Hindus and later on the word ‘Hindu’ was used for the same purpose by all nations flourishing at that time.

As we can see, the word Hindu has a geographical history and does not mean a religious faith like Islam or Christianity. There are some instances which illustrate the use of the word Hindu.

When the Shahi Imam of Jama of Delhi went to Mecca on a pilgrimage, a local resident asked him, “Are you a Hindu?” The Imam was startled by this question and replied, “No, I am a Muslim.” When Imam Saheb asked him the reason for calling him a Hindu, he replied that all Hindustanis were called Hindu there.
Late Sri Mohammed Carrim Chagla, the former Chief Justice of Bombay High Court and Education Minister in the Central cabinet wrote that he is a Muslim only by religion but by culture and race he is a Hindu and all Muslims of this country are Hindus.
The word Hindusthan and Hindu are often used with a national connotation only. For example, the first nationalist daily from Chennai, started in the last century, was named ‘The Hindu’. Many public sector industrial units are named Hindusthan Aeronautics, Hindusthan Photo films, Hindusthan Machine Tools, etc. The sea to the south of our country is called Hind Mahasagar.

Mohammed Iqbal, the famous Urdu poet has sung Sare Jahan Se Achha, Hindostan Hamara — Note Hamara Hindusthan, i.e., Our Hindusthan.

The word Hindu thus connotes not a particular sect, a religion or a faith, but the people, the culture, the tradition, the way of life of the people inhabiting this part of the world from times immemorial. Before the advent of the British, Bharat was known as Hindusthan and all the nationals as Hindus. Only the British gave the new name India and the word Indian came to be used in place of Hindu.

Re: So, Who is a Hindu?

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come to the point. what u’r trying to say here?