So what if I do not want to have kids?

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its a way to validate their own lifestyle i'd say.

it continues to boggle me why people feel the need to question others regarding issues that are none of their damn business and VERY private...when will you get married, who you will get married to, when will you have kids?, how many kids you will have, what you prefer to eat etc etc. as if what i ate gives THEM constipation.

i do not understand the business with giving you the sympathetic looks. its really disrespectful in my opinion and if someone did that to me i would honestly not attend such gatherings. SO many of my cousins do not attend our family gatherings because of the presence of certain aunties that always nag them about the issue of getting married. ZERO social skills and manners. and these are the adults we're supposed to turn into if they can have their way? ...no thanks!!

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I hate those sympathetic looks!!! And then they not even sympathetci. They give you that look and soon as they turn around they b*tch about you...oh did you see her how she was playing with other peoples babies? cant have her own...blah blah

First you get the looks when you still not married...then when you not yet had your first kid...then when you not had your second one!!!Grrrr!!! It never stops. I think some people are just paid to give those looks...

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I swear, if the husbands ever just once said something..i think these looks and stuff would just stop ASAP! And they (the talkers) know this, so thats why (well I dont think) men ever get bothered about these Qs directly, the aunties will never say to them "oh tell ur wife to quit school and start having boys. (not even kdis but BOYS!)"... blahblahblah. My cousni, who got married a month after me, just had a boy a few months ago, and when my aunts heard abt it they were like "tumhari cousin ne kar liya, abh tum kiyun nahi karti" as if we're in a competition and i'm losing? lol..whatever. And like when they ask you can't even say "Allah ki marzi" b/c they'll assume you CANT have a kid, and hence all the sympathetic, "hawww hayeeees"....and GOD FORBID you even HINT at the fact that you're actually planning on when to have them...toba toba....
Lol its really nto so bad for me right now...but i shudder to think what lies ahead :@:

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Sahar: That was* very* well said!

SGC has pretty much summed up everything I was about to say.

Bebo, You shouldn't care about what others say. As long as you and your hubby has a good understanding on this matter, I don't think it matters what other talk about. Be strong and just ignore them. People are meant to talk/gossip/complain/interfere in other people's personal stuff so they will continue to talk.... you just ignore and move on.

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Ahh I am sorry to see...another intellegent soul who is capable of contributing alot to the world being presserized in typical desi style to have kids.As if only by having kids a woman can be worthy of respect and admiration. I am right with you on the issue facing the same sympathatic looks and annoying questions. I can not be rude or disrespectful to my elders but it really frustrate me when this very private aspect of my life becomes their fav topic of discussion. Just looking at the responses in this thread you would get the feeling the it is not only the generation thing...many have attempted sarcasm here.
Anyways I hope you and others like us who are facing this delimma find the strenght in loving realtionship with their patners.

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I have a kid and have to hear when the next one coming! :rolleyes: they never leave u alone.

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^ they really do that?
so when is next coming? lol

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Mirchain ?

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There is SUCH a diference between well-meaning relatives and friends and those who are just mean.

There are those who are SO happy being a mom that they want you to know the happiness and fulfillment that they have been blessed with since having their children. They will not pressure you but will try to show you how very much it has brought sunshine to their lives.

THEN there are the aunties and their cronies who think that children are a "punishment" that you have somehow escaped and MUST be brought to justice. lol!!! They are the ones who I have much fun with since I SO love being a mom.

Do whats right for you and as for the rest of them, let it go.

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Yeah, my mother is well-meaning and so when she pressures me, I sometimes have to remind her I am not a baby factory, and so she has backed off.

I think my MIL is afraid to ask me for risk of feeling like she is pressuring me, so instead sends my SIL to investigate. I give vague answers.

As for the "punishment" thing, I do feel that there is a certain degree of guilt associated with being a happily married couple and engaging in "carnal delights." People feel they have an excuse for such behavior if they are also having kids.

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bohot.. :wink:

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Bebo, I sooooo understand where you are coming from.

See, I only had a simple nikkah, no mehndi, no rukhsati and no walima and people keep on questioning me about it every time I step outside of the house…..it's made not only my life but my mum's life a misery. She doesn't go to khutams or any Islamic Darse anymore because people always taunt her and ask her why she didn't have a wedding for me. I don't like going shopping or weddings even the mosque during Ramadan because people keep asking me why I didn't have a wedding.

Last week I was out and I met one of the aunties' daughter's who is only a couple of years older than me and she said "oh well never mind you can wear you lengha to your sister in -law's wedding" (my husband's brother is getting married next month). I felt really really hurt and I still can't forget that comment. It was a mutual decision between my husband and I that we would not have a big wedding, instead we would have a simple nikkah and buy a big house, we thought it made sense especially as I'm not into the whole organising a wedding thing and nor is my husband.

Some people look at me and my mum as though I have run away from home and am living in sin. Some aunties have even said to my mum that even though I have had my nikkah I am not married until the big wedding/rukhsati. Many people in my community deny that I am married and think I'm living with my bf even though I invited all my friends to my nikkah, my family, my husbands family and relatives. And the hafiz saab who read my nikkah is the most well known and most popular Hafiz in the whole of East London. Most of the aunties have even seen my nikkah album with everyone's photo and the nikkah video!

I also have my nikkah nama to prove it. Should I photocopy it and post it through every letter box in London?

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Man. im sorry all of you live around such pathetic people. Its so weird that ppl always have a problem wiht how others hvae done things or live their lives...

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Sparrow, wow man.. give them one tight slap next time anytime says something. I can't believe people have the NERVE to say such trash.

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[quote="Sahar02, post:143, topic:179358"]

Yeah, my mother is well-meaning and so when she pressures me, I sometimes have to remind her I am not a baby factory, and so she has backed off.
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This is the right way to deal with all this . A straight answer with a straight face will quite those down who do not have right intentions or have too much interest in your life. Diplomatic answers or answers defending your actions leave room for more discussion. No ?

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^ Yeah but.... thats her mother. she can be straight wiht her. u can't be that straightforward with in laws or relatives.

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Agreed with in laws part but with relatives you can be straight.
Now go open a new thread about how to deal with in laws and relatives asking these kind of questions or who have too much interest in your life.
Then I and others will do some brain storming.

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sparrow, thats horrible! i'm so sorry you have to go through that- nevermind them losers... you did what you thought was best and made a good decision for your life, and more power to you for that!

sahar, i hear you lady!

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Yeah these aunties can be really mean and the worst thing is that they KNOW that they are hurting you. I went home yesterday and my mum said that she was invited to someone's house for an Islamic darse and some lunch but she didn't go coz she's not up to being interrogated about why she apparently could not afford a wedding for me!

Anyway, I had lunch with a lawyer from our Hong Kong Office last week and we were talking about the whole China law thing about only being allowed to have one child and that the government won't provide for your other children if you have more than one and she said that in Hong Kong a lot of people are actually opting not to have any children at all because they think that bringing a child into the world is TORTURE…..I think she means everything the child will have to go through in life when they grow up….like poverty or danger and all sorts of everyday problems and then the whole being sick and dying thing (sorry to bring down the mood even more). Anyway, to some extent I agree with her so I don't think you should have children just for the sake of it….you have to remember everything that they will have to go through in life and all the problems they will have to face…all because you had to prove a point to people that you are not infertile.

So stand your ground…..I know it's easily said than done. Trust me I know.

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[quote="Sparrow, post:346, topic:179131"]

Bebo, I sooooo understand where you are coming from.

See, I only had a simple nikkah, no mehndi, no rukhsati and no walima and people keep on questioning me about it every time I step outside of the house…..it's made not only my life but my mum's life a misery. She doesn't go to khutams or any Islamic Darse anymore because people always taunt her and ask her why she didn't have a wedding for me. I don't like going shopping or weddings even the mosque during Ramadan because people keep asking me why I didn't have a wedding.

Last week I was out and I met one of the aunties' daughter's who is only a couple of years older than me and she said "oh well never mind you can wear you lengha to your sister in -law's wedding" (my husband's brother is getting married next month). I felt really really hurt and I still can't forget that comment. It was a mutual decision between my husband and I that we would not have a big wedding, instead we would have a simple nikkah and buy a big house, we thought it made sense especially as I'm not into the whole organising a wedding thing and nor is my husband.

Some people look at me and my mum as though I have run away from home and am living in sin. Some aunties have even said to my mum that even though I have had my nikkah I am not married until the big wedding/rukhsati. Many people in my community deny that I am married and think I'm living with my bf even though I invited all my friends to my nikkah, my family, my husbands family and relatives. And the hafiz saab who read my nikkah is the most well known and most popular Hafiz in the whole of East London. Most of the aunties have even seen my nikkah album with everyone's photo and the nikkah video!

I also have my nikkah nama to prove it. Should I photocopy it and post it through every letter box in London?/quote]

That's probably the only way our jahil community would be satisfied!

I felt like doing the same with my medical records when people were speculating about my fertility/health after several miscarriages! I was fed up trying to tell people that they can't find anything wrong with either me or hubby! People just couldn't get get a hang of the whole "unexplained" thing...........Then came all the theories of black magic etc.

Think of your situation this way - these aunties are just sour that they lost out on being able to eat a good wedding meal and a good gossip session!!!! (You know the usual at all the ceremonies - the group of aunties sat talking about whose daughter was wearing what, whose daughter was on her mobile/texting so it must be a boy etc etc!!)