so what do I do

STA · April 12, 2011, 6:10pm

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NomiCA · April 12, 2011, 6:11pm

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faarsi

Ashy2010 · April 12, 2011, 6:20pm

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This is even more MUSHKIL

Very nice tukka. Ab Meanings?

NomiCA · April 12, 2011, 6:23pm

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your mom is urdu speaking.....ask her.....

STA · April 12, 2011, 6:26pm

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Lets see if @Khalil_KhaaN_FaaKhta can translate it for you.
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Ashy2010 · April 12, 2011, 6:28pm

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My dad (yeah punjabi) knew more urdu than her... Shes is of no help here :(

Well many of the urdu poets were punjabis e.g. Allama Iqbal, Faiz... so I guess the knowledge of urdu/ farsi is not limited to only urdu speakings :D

STA · April 12, 2011, 6:33pm

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Yup. yeh aik buhat ajeeb o grareeb baat hai kay ahl-e-zaban logon nay iss ki qadar na ki aur buhat sara adbi kaam dosari zabanon kay shairon nay anjam diya.

goo yeh kay urdu ki tarqi aur tarveej main yeh aik buha hi ziydah khush aaind baat hai.

Ashy2010 · April 12, 2011, 6:41pm

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Wow... Great.... Kaafi ghor kerne k baad tumhari baat ka mafhoom samajh main agaya hai :D

Bus is se agay urdu ki taang toot jati hai aur punjabi ka tau Allah hi Haafiz hai... Oh we poor kids, na idhar k rahay na udhar ke :(
Angrezi k saharey zindagi guzrey gi kia :( Sometimes I feel our next generation will even be worse... But I will definitely make then learn urdu (and punjabi if I got a Punjabi husband) :D

Doppleganger · April 12, 2011, 8:20pm

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There were Urdu language poets outside Punjab. In fact, I think india probably had more Urdu speakers than Pakistan though many Indians have left no stone unturned to sankritinize Hindustani

KKF · April 13, 2011, 2:32am

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**yeh aapne mujhe kis mushkil meN Daal diyaa...Khair, ab isse nikalne kii koshish karuuNgaa, inshaa Allah :)

mushkil hai ze bas kalaam miraa, ai "Dil!"
sun sun ke use suKhan_waraan-e-kaamil
aasaaN kahne kii karte haiN farmaa'ish
"goyam mushkil, wa gar na goyam mushkil"

This is a Ghalib's qit'a [4-liner]. in this she'r [couplet] he is telling his Ustaad Mirza "Be-Dil" who probably had asked Ghalib earlier to do shaa'irii in an "Easy to Understand" Urdu so the masses could understand and appreciate his style of poetry. Mirza Be-Dil and Ghalib considered themselves primarily as a Farsi Poet and it was a source of their pride. Ghalib has a very thick volume of shaa'irii in Farsii.

on the other hand, Ghalib had a hard time establishing himself as an "Official Poet" in the Royal Court of the last MuGhal Emperor, Bahadur Shah "Zafar" who was a great Urdu/Farsi poet himself. at that time, another renowned urdu poet, Ustaad Ibrahim "Zauq" was the Official Royal Poet. Since Zauq was an arrogant person, he didn't like Ghalib being a better poet to have any audience in the Royal maHfil. Since Ghalib was NOT from Delhi, he was discriminated as an outsider, Zauq and Ghalib used to taunt each other [of course in a dignified way]. Zauq's main objection was that since Ghalib was from Agra, he lacked finesse in urdu. to offset his criticism, Ghalib used to write poetry in a more "persianised" urdu hence harder for the commoner to understand.

keeping in mind the above criticism, Ghalib in this stanza replies to Mirza saaHib's suggestion. he says:

i understand, as you pointed out, that the language of my poetry is harder to understand while learned people, such as yourself, complain and encourage me to use an "easy to understand" language in my poetry, my dilemma is that if i use "harder persianized urdu" then you complain and if i use easy urdu then Zauq taunts at me...!!!!

"goyam mushkil, wa gar na goyam mushkil"

meaning in urdu: 'kahuuN to mushkil aur agar na kahuuN to bhii mushkil' :(**

STA · April 13, 2011, 4:33am

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Hi. This is new. Please, welcome ....

**yeh aapne mujhe kis mushkil meN Daal diyaa…Khair, ab isse nikalne kii koshish karuuNgaa, inshaa Allah

mushkil hai ze bas kalaam miraa, ai “Dil!”
sun sun ke use suKhan_waraan-e-kaamil
aasaaN kahne kii karte haiN farmaa’ish
“goyam mushkil, wa gar na goyam mushkil”

This is a Ghalib’s qit’a [4-liner]. in this she’r [couplet] he is telling his Ustaad Mirza “Be-Dil” who probably had asked Ghalib earlier to do shaa’irii in an “Easy to Understand” Urdu so the masses could understand and appreciate his style of poetry. Mirza Be-Dil and Ghalib considered themselves primarily as a Farsi Poet and it was a source of their pride. Ghalib has a very thick volume of shaa’irii in Farsii.

on the other hand, Ghalib had a hard time establishing himself as an “Official Poet” in the Royal Court of the last MuGhal Emperor, Bahadur Shah “Zafar” who was a great Urdu/Farsi poet himself. at that time, another renowned urdu poet, Ustaad Ibrahim “Zauq” was the Official Royal Poet. Since Zauq was an arrogant person, he didn’t like Ghalib being a better poet to have any audience in the Royal maHfil. Since Ghalib was NOT from Delhi, he was discriminated as an outsider, Zauq and Ghalib used to taunt each other [of course in a dignified way]. Zauq’s main objection was that since Ghalib was from Agra, he lacked finesse in urdu. to offset his criticism, Ghalib used to write poetry in a more “persianised” urdu hence harder for the commoner to understand.

keeping in mind the above criticism, Ghalib in this stanza replies to Mirza saaHib’s suggestion. he says:

i understand, as you pointed out, that the language of my poetry is harder to understand while learned people, such as yourself, complain and encourage me to use an “easy to understand” language in my poetry, my dilemma is that if i use “harder persianized urdu” then you complain and if i use easy urdu then Zauq taunts at me…!!!

“goyam mushkil, wa gar na goyam mushkil”

meaning in urdu: ‘kahuuN to mushkil aur agar na kahuuN to bhii mushkil’ :(**

jazakAllah khair. main app ka buhat shukriya ada karta hon. app waqai main gs kay azeem sarmaya(asset) hain. app nay ahl-e-zaban ki izzat rakh li.

@**Ashy2010](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/ashy2010.html)**to uss shair ka matlab fakhta bhai nay buhat hi achi tarah say samjha diya hai. umeed hai kay app ki samjh main aagiya hoga.

Ashy2010 · April 13, 2011, 6:12am

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Hi. This is new. Please, welcome ....

**yeh aapne mujhe kis mushkil meN Daal diyaa…Khair, ab isse nikalne kii koshish karuuNgaa, inshaa Allah

mushkil hai ze bas kalaam miraa, ai “Dil!”
sun sun ke use suKhan_waraan-e-kaamil
aasaaN kahne kii karte haiN farmaa’ish
“goyam mushkil, wa gar na goyam mushkil”

This is a Ghalib’s qit’a [4-liner]. in this she’r [couplet] he is telling his Ustaad Mirza “Be-Dil” who probably had asked Ghalib earlier to do shaa’irii in an “Easy to Understand” Urdu so the masses could understand and appreciate his style of poetry. Mirza Be-Dil and Ghalib considered themselves primarily as a Farsi Poet and it was a source of their pride. Ghalib has a very thick volume of shaa’irii in Farsii.

on the other hand, Ghalib had a hard time establishing himself as an “Official Poet” in the Royal Court of the last MuGhal Emperor, Bahadur Shah “Zafar” who was a great Urdu/Farsi poet himself. at that time, another renowned urdu poet, Ustaad Ibrahim “Zauq” was the Official Royal Poet. Since Zauq was an arrogant person, he didn’t like Ghalib being a better poet to have any audience in the Royal maHfil. Since Ghalib was NOT from Delhi, he was discriminated as an outsider, Zauq and Ghalib used to taunt each other [of course in a dignified way]. Zauq’s main objection was that since Ghalib was from Agra, he lacked finesse in urdu. to offset his criticism, Ghalib used to write poetry in a more “persianised” urdu hence harder for the commoner to understand.

keeping in mind the above criticism, Ghalib in this stanza replies to Mirza saaHib’s suggestion. he says:

i understand, as you pointed out, that the language of my poetry is harder to understand while learned people, such as yourself, complain and encourage me to use an “easy to understand” language in my poetry, my dilemma is that if i use “harder persianized urdu” then you complain and if i use easy urdu then Zauq taunts at me…!!!

“goyam mushkil, wa gar na goyam mushkil”

meaning in urdu: ‘kahuuN to mushkil aur agar na kahuuN to bhii mushkil’ :(**

Thanks a lot. It feels greats whenever u learn a new thing.

Thanks buddy. Very well explained meanings indeed by fakhta bhai with full contextual background. Ab is ko urdu main kia kehte hain ye nahi pata

Ashy2010 · April 13, 2011, 6:15am

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Yeah there had been many urdu poets outside Punjab, no doubt. But it is worth noting that few of the most prominent URDU poets were punjabi's themselves and thus you can't deny the contributions made by punjabis for the urdu language.

KKF · April 13, 2011, 8:30am

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**shukria pazeeraaii ke liye.

are bhai shukria kii kia baat…GS hai hii siii maqsad ke liye k ham yahaN ek dusre se aistiHsaal e ilm kareN. mujhe jo pataa thaa pataa diyaa…aur kisii ko kuchh pataa ho to bataa de…aise hii ‘ilm o fikr kii kashtii ilm o fikr ke vasee’ samandar meN aage baRhtii rahtii hai.**

**thank you Ashi for ur kind appreciation.

ise urdu meN kaheNge: ibaarat kaa Khulaasa o tashreeH baa tauzeeH o tausee’
**

ji, aap ne bajaa farmaayaa…yaqeenan, urdu par Punjaabii bhaaiyoN aur bahnoN kaa bahot baRaa aHsaan hai aur unkii bahot baRii ishtiraakiyat hai aur HinduoN kaa bhii zabardast sarmaaya hai urdu zabaan meN ham Ghalatii se Urdu ko musalmaanoN kii zabaan samajh baiThe haiN

Ashy2010 · April 13, 2011, 8:47am

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LAJAWAAB

Khumar · April 13, 2011, 9:27am

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Yeah…can we move this discussion to the Cultureforum now? plzkthnksbai

Jafri · April 13, 2011, 11:21am

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Wtf is this. You guys suck. Thanks for not helping me.

Khumar · April 13, 2011, 1:11pm

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Jaffers did you do what I told you to do or not