Re: So Western countries are gutters.
I cannot agree with you more.
I have been living here for long time since the time I was young and restless and I have many friends from Pakistan , India , Bangladesh , Indonesia , Jordan , Palestine , who did not have anybody to keep a check on their activities but they all turned out to be good citizens of these societies.
I have hundreds of thousands of neighbors and friends who have been living here for centuries and who have good morals and standards and are functional families.
Yes there are night clubs here , yes booze is available freely , yes there are drug addicts and criminals in these societies but so does all those Muslim countries. They have night clubs , if you want to, you can buy booze and drugs in Muslim countries too . In my school , college and university days in Pakistan I was friends to boys and girls who had sexual relations with other boys and girls , there were even boys who had sexual relationship with married women. ![]()
But was everyone doing so , no , same is true for Western societies, not every living soul here is corrupt , deprived of morals , and madar pidar azzad