Re: So leave them, [O Muhammad], for you are not to be blamed.
As for my excuses. Here is the honest truth. You put words in my mouth by saying I said he is not a guide and I believed you without actually going over my OP again. I admitted if that is the phrase I used then it could come across as wrong. But upon further investigation I discovered I had never said that. Rather, I had said, which I maintain, he (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) does not guide.
Silly me, who did not realize that you were unaware of the types of guidance which lead you to completely miss what I said. The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) can only call toward the Truth but not make you accept the Truth. The former is like giving someone directions to a checkpoint. You act as a guide but taking the road and reaching the checkpoint is something which only Allah can make you do - known as guidance of Tawfeeq.
Exactly as the scholars of the four Madhabs have explained it. But I am beginning to think that you are unaware of these scholars or the 4 Madhabs of Sunni Islam which would explain your complete lack of understanding of the subject at hand.
Re: So leave them, [O Muhammad], for you are not to be blamed.
The youtube video was only posted for those who may want an instant introduction to the subject you mentioned, it was not actually posted for you.
I do not disagree with what I know of what the scholars have said, I disagree with you, and i have mentioned the difference between you and them [and said your arrogance is brand new]. But in principle my criticism is open to anyone who says the same thing as you, however I do not accuse the scholars of this. The fact that you think what you said is same as what the scholars have said is in line with what I’d expect from you but my criticism is open as per principle
Making apparent that Neither Allah Most High’s uncreated words nor RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam was enough to bring everyone to rightly guided faith can be done, this is not the same as your statements
My first replies only contained your quotations, Quran Ayats and simple words - which could not have put words into your mouth. And you immediately said I was following Barelvi translations - and started talking about Abu Talib, Mukhtar e kul and all sorts basically suggesting that you have no idea about how you could be wrong. Even now what you say in ‘‘does not guide’’ is not correct so you are still wrong! And I’ll be happy to oppose you on this rather then what you said earlier.
RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam is a guide, and a guide that is sent by Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala so any inference that Nabi Pak does not guide is actually wrong. He SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam is a guide for the Believers
I am not aware of any type of guidance that is bereft of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. So your statement are still wrong and I do not take back my criticism
What can be said is that is that Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala can ‘make people accept’ the message, and similar statements such as Only Allah guides [which includes RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam as a guide] but you cant say ‘‘job was not to guide the people. Only Allah guides’’ and '‘The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) could not guide but only convey the message’’ or RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam ‘‘does not guide’’
The reason for this is that RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam was sent to guide people, That is the role of Prophets.
The acceptance of Guidance by us is dependent upon us accepting RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam who is The Guide For the Believers. The exception to this is the disbelievers and hypocrites to whom RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam only conveyed the message, they did not accept The Blessed Prophet as a guide and guidance
I’ll give you an example:
Qur’aan Pak is the uncreated Words of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala, but not everyone who reads it is guided, some are even more misguided after reciting it. We do not say The Qur’aan Pak is not guiding nor that is not guidance. It is Guiding and Guidance. We do not then make statement "Qur’aan Pak does not guide and does not convey the message’’ Astagfirullah , Rather we say Qur’aan Pak Guides and conveys the Message
We know even he who accepts The Qur’aan Pak but does not accept RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam as his guide, is a hypocrite or disbeliever
Re: So leave them, [O Muhammad], for you are not to be blamed.
This thread is coaxed in so much semantics:
RasoolAllah (SAW) was a guide in the sense that he (SAW) presented The Guidance
RasoolAllah (SAW) was not a guide in the sense that he (SAW) could not change hearts.
But hearts would change because of RasoolAllah (SAW) - but that is a different matter.
Re: So leave them, [O Muhammad], for you are not to be blamed.
The way you see it is this:
Allah decreed someone is not to be guided, so the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) could not guide him.
Allah didn’t decree it, the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) could guide him.
The way the I see it
Allah gives Guidance to Whom He Wills.
The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) calls to this guidance but does not give it.
You take guidance to mean one thing.
I, like the scholars elaborate, understand it to have two forms.
As psyah pointed out, the first form is presenting it and in that sense he (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is a guide to all of mankind.
But in the sense of getting people to accept that guidance, he (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) does not have authority from Allah to do that only Allah choses whom He Wills.
Re: So leave them, [O Muhammad], for you are not to be blamed.
Peace bro ZeeshanParvez
It is the very opening post that requires further clarification … After the ayah, some interpretation was presented, which is not entirely correct.
If we see the Hadith about awliya in Bukhari …
On the authority of Abu Huraira who said: The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be Allah’s blessings and peace) said: “Allah the Almighty has said, ‘Whoever has mutual animosity with a friend (wali) of Mine, I declare war upon him. My servant does not draw near to Me with anything more beloved to Me than the religious duties that I have imposed upon him; and My servant continues to draw near to Me with supererogatory work such that I love him. And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes, and his leg with which he walks. Were he to ask of Me, I would surely give him; and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it.” (Recorded in al-Bukhari)
We understand that proximity to Allah (SWT) means He chooses those who are close to Him as vessels of His Divine Actions. In other words when RasoolAllah (SAW) gave guidance … It was actually Him giving Guidance …
We cannot remove the term guide from RasoolAllah (SAW) … Rather the verse should be understood as … You do not guide who you like, but Allah (SWT) Guides (through you) whomsoever He Wills.
While Allah (SWT) is Al Hadi … RasoolAllah (SAW) was Hadi …
Hidaya is enlightenment … While huda is guidance. One thing reached upon and the other is presented and received.
In English we say … “You can take the horse to the well, but you can’t make it drink” …
It does not say anywhere that RasoolAllah (SAW) is not a guide … (Noun) … Rather it states you don’t guide (verb) … And even that is meant to be read and understood as … You don’t enlighten …
Re: So leave them, [O Muhammad], for you are not to be blamed.
Shahr bin Hawshab said:
“I said to Umm Salamah: ‘O Mother of the Believers! What was the supplication that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said most frequently when he was with you?” She said: ‘The supplication he said most frequently was: “O Changer of the hearts, make my heart firm upon Your religion (Yā Muqallibal-qulūb, thabbit qalbī `alā dīnik).’”
She said: ‘So I said: “O Messenger of Allah, why do you supplicate so frequently: ‘O Changer of the hearts, make my heart firm upon Your religion.’ He said: ‘O Umm Salamah! Verily, there is no human being except that his heart is between Two Fingers of the Fingers of Allah, so whomsoever He wills He makes steadfast, and whomever He wills He causes to deviate.’”
Re: So leave them, [O Muhammad], for you are not to be blamed.
O star guide me on this journey
O lamp show me the road that I fall not to the side
O teacher enable me to see the right from the wrong
O dog show this blind one the path to safety
The stars and the street lights, the beings who gift us benefit of what we cannot see
Guide us …
But we cannot **be **guided except that He enlightens our hearts.
We can guide but only He can Guide …
And this is a reasonable and proper understanding of human nature … No one says that RasoolAllah (SAW) is not a guide … that is not even rationally sound. RasoolAllah (SAW) is the Guidance of Allah (SWT). The one who is guided becomes a beacon of light and that light guides others … so long as Allah (SWT) enables them to see … The title of guide can never be removed from RasoolAllah (SAW) … and if you consult your heart it will resonate that truth to you … inshaAllah.