and yeah this time it’s not a stupid question ( I hope)…okay…so I was reading this surah…Surah Yusuf…SURAH XII…no.96 and 97 and 98…it goes like this…
**96. So when the bearer of good news came he cast it on his face, so forthwith he regained his sight. He said: Did I not say to you that I know from Allah what you do not know?
They said: O our father! ask forgiveness of our faults for us, surely we were sinners.
He said: I will ask for you forgiveness from my Lord; surely He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.**
I don’t know how to say but here the sons asked him to ask for forgiveness for them…but I heard that we should only call upon Allah and no one else…something like this…or I might be confused here?..I don’t know…Thee alone we worship and thee alone we should ask for help…but here the sons asked their father for help…does anyone get what I mean?..
So is it okay to call upon our Prophets for help?..
Oh yeah..one more…The Elevated Places …Surah VII…No.150 and No. 151 and 154.
**150. And when Musa returned to his people, wrathful (and) in violent grief, he said: Evil is it that you have done after me; did you turn away from the bidding of your Lord? And he threw down the tablets and seized his brother by the head, dragging him towards him. He said: Son of my mother! surely the people reckoned me weak and had well-nigh slain me, therefore make not the enemies to rejoice over me and count me not among the unjust people.
He said: My Lord! forgive me and my brother and cause us to enter into Thy mercy, and Thou art the most Merciful of the merciful ones.
And when Musa’s anger calmed down he took up the tablets, and in the writing thereof was guidance and mercy for those who fear for the sake of their Lord. **
Even here…Hazrat Musa(pbuh) asked forgiveness for his brother…so Prophets can ask forgiveness for others or just their relatives…or what?..
And the other thing is Hazrat Musa (pbuh) seized his brother by the head and was angry…so it’s natural to be angry right?..because I heard that anger is haram or something like that…somebody clarify this point please…since Prophets are the people we should look upon…
And yeah while we are at it…what are tablets…yeah I know I am a dumbo…
So please share your views here…thank you very much…
From what I gather, this seems to be an issue amongst scholars. It is encouraged that you pray to Allah alone BUT those who are very close to Allah, He hears them all the time and grants them whatever they may ask. Thats why its shown that these guys have asked the father for help. You can ask other people to pray for you. Don't quote me on this, this is just my interpretation of it. I could be wrong.
Make no mistake you do not call upon anyone except Allah.
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so it's natural to be angry right?.....because I heard that anger is haram or something like that.....somebody clarify this point please......since Prophets are the people we should look upon........
what are tablets?
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Ok, first off anger is a part of our nature...like all emotions it needs to be controlled. It is haraam to get mad for the wrong reasons. Anger serves as a last resort.
Tablets are the two pieces of stone with the 10 commandments.
You cannot call upon the deceased. You can ask others to pray for you but not call upon them and associate them with Allah. It is recommended that you pray to Allah alone.
But my point is that Hazrat Musa was angry and seized his brother by his head…so with anger followed some action right?..so do you mean that if he got angry for the right reason it’s okay…but if someone gets angry for the wrong reason…then it’s haram?..um..do you get what I mean?..I mean all along I thought anger was haram…but when I came across this verse…it sort of gave a new meaning to my thinking…
Well if you had read it carefully you would have realised that the sons are asking their father for forgiveness, not worshipping him or something. The sons had wronged their little brother Prophet Yousuf and caused much grief to their father as a result and all they are doing is asking their father to forgive them for having done so. It’s a mere apology, like saying that you are sorry for something you have done. and the fathers reply here is more on the following thought… He is probably expressing how he is nothing as compared to Allah and that it is Allah’s forgiveness that they should be seeking. Its almost as if he is not even considering the grief caused to himself and is more concerned about Allah forgiving them for having done wrong to Allah’s people. As far as praying for someone else is concerned there is nothing wrong with that. The Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, prayed for his entire Ummah time and again. We are infact encouraged to pray to Allah for others also, especially the muslim ummah. One of the last duas said in namaz is Rabbi ja’alni muqeem mussalaata wa min zuriyaati rabbanaa wataqabbal dua rabbana’aghfirli wali walidayyah wal’il momineen’a yauma yaqumul hisaab… in the last part we pray for the forgivenes of our parents and all momineen. So clearly praying for others is not forbidden. How ever praying to Allah directly is also greatly encouraged.
Now asking someone to pray for you is not shirk or anything. You are asking them to pray to Allah for you not praying to them directly or calling upon that person. It’s just like using them as a vaseela (means).
As far as anger is concerned, we are all advised to control our tempers since it is in a state of anger that we lose rational and may do things we regret later. However if Hazrat Musa was angry, he is after all human. Prophets have committed errors at times too though very rare. Take Prophet Adam for example. He disobeyed Allah due to which we all know what happened! Anger is as natural an emotion as joy and fear. If you can curb it, great! If not then work on it. I don’t think Allah will put you in hell just because you couldnt curb ur anger once or twice.
**97. They said: O our father! ask forgiveness of our faults for us, surely we were sinners. **
I don’t know but I don’t think they are asking their father for forgiveness…coz it’s says ask forgiveness of our faults for us. Rather it still seems to me that they are asking their father to ask forgivenss for them…and their father replies them with…**I will ask for you forgiveness from my Lord; surely He is the Forgiving, the Merciful. ** …he said for you …and of course I am not saying that they are worshipping him or something…
As for prophets commiting errors…I don’t know……to myself…all along I thought the prophets were perfect…or is it that only Hazrat Mohammad(pbuh) is perfect?..I am getting confused again…
little human! I will asnwer as I understand this matter and as per my believe.
We ask directly to ALLAH ourselves, however other who are alive can also pray for us and we can ask them to pray. ALLAH listens all of them but many people asking same thing is considered "Ahsan" and there is no harm.
We can ask ALLAH directly ourselves however if we ask ALLAH with the reference of prophets, pious people, it is perfectly OK for instance it is ok to ask this: "O ALLAH so and so kay waseelay say yaa sadqay main hamaari yeh dua qabool kar". BUT asking who are already dead that "O you so and so please ask ALLAH for us this" while the so and so is dead is not allowed.
and as per your last post: >>>>As for prophets commiting errors<<<
prophets do not commit sins but errors may occur not only because of being a human but according to the will of ALLAH so that ALLAH may reveal His guidance for such errors if occured by later followers. So, it is all by the plan of ALLAH otherwise there can't be created the grounds for the guidance to come without any circumstances..
Well parents are very important and if they are pleased with you then Allah (swt) will be also, and the Parent can ask forgivness and happiness and etc…for their child.
Keep a complete control over your temper and anger because I never found anything more beneficial at the end and producing more good results than such a control. …Hazrat Ali (A.S)
…to myself