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Other day same thing happened to me . That guy was also from Nigeria and he asked me about the bias of Pakistani sunniz . I end up explaining to him the whole story . Later he told me that he already read a lot of books about Pakistan and he knows it already . And in my heart I was thinking that if you knew then why to ask me 
Anyways , Good that my friend called me and I excused myself 
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hai bohot asaan kisi Musalmaan ko kaafir kehna
Ae kaash koi kafir bhi Musalmaan kiya hota
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CM, did he say "he considered Mirza the final prophet"? Or is that what you understood?
You should preach to him. I preach to all my sunni/shia and everything in between friends.
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I am surprised he did not offer you a deal to share the unclaimed inheritance of someone whose name is similar to yours.
The question if he is muslim or not is redundant. He isn't by virtue of the Quran and the Holy Prophets last sermon. These two openly state that the Holy Prophet is the Seal of the Prophets. If you disbelieve both sources you aren't a Muslim by any right.
The question was how you would handle it. I find the situation interesting. I of course will do my religious duty of explaining how he is not a Muslim and let him decide.
Let Allah decide who is Muslim, alright! Thank you very much. It is not your duty. Are you by virtue of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa's last speech? When he said that ALL human beings are the same and no one is superior over others. I feel so sad for this guy that he has to face such an ignorant in you who comes and wants to tell us about the virtue of Muhammad Mustafa's last speech.
"And those whom you have prisoned. Treat them good, wear them clothes you wear." Does it echo in your brain and in your thinking now? You people are such faggots and cry about Mirza Ghulam calling himself God whereas you come down here like God and tell us who is Muslim or not?
WHAT A DOUBLE-STANDARD. I'm getting sick of your better-knowing crap! Stop it. I request the Mods to close this Thread as the New Forum Rules say no PRO/ANTI Ahmadiyyat discussions!
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^ Double standards! Only if you knew how many members are warned & banned for posting anti-ahmadi posts and violating the policy. There are no double standards here.
As for this topic, this topic is NOT about proving/disproving validity of Ahmadi faith. The main issue here is that should CM (or anyone else) approach a stranger to preach Islam, who he believes to be a ahmadi/jew/christian/Hindu/non-muslim? As long as discussion is not DERAILED and members only focus on the main issue and do not bring the faith itself under scrutiny, it is not in violation of policy.
ADDENDUM: Should this thread turned into a faith debate, it will face the same fate as other threads.
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Yes it is a DOUBLE-STANDARD, but only if you knew Mr. Mod!
These people are crying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad called himself God and then they come here down like God and want to tell us that you are not a Muslim!? Is that not a Double-Standard?
This nigerian Guy only told him about persecution, he didn't tell CM to preach him what is true. And from his approach, he cannot be true. I will conclude all those people in my prayers who have become Ahmadies, but still need guidance. These people have little Knowledge about whole Ahmadiyyat and when they face FALSE allegations they become an easy target for the wannabe Mullahs/Preachers.
Who is a Muslim? Is that a label like the jewish Star? You don't become Muslim because you are born to a 'Muslim'. Your actions make you a Muslim or a Kafir. Kafir does not only contain the meaning of a believer that this Prophet existed etc. It also contains all the moral values that a Religion brings with it. Does Islam tell you to point on people and tell them you are not Muslim like CM? Does Islam tell you to kill the unbeliever whereas there is a verse who says "There is no compulsory in matters of belief/Relegion". There were Ulemas who 200-300 years ago who dared to say that the Qur'an is contradiciting. Someverses verses are abrogated. What a low level thinking. Their thinking and approach towards Islam is contradicting.
This stranger has accepted Islam, because the main message of Islam is to live and let live, worship Allah and follow the Sunnah of Muhammad (saw). We speak the Kalimah, We pray five times, We recite the Qur'an, We pay Zakat and many of us already did the Hajj. We are not praying to Isa (as) or Moses (as) nor do we go to the Church or the Synagogue.
Allah Hu Akbar we are Muslims and we will stay Muslim. No one can take this from us except Allah. Fear your End, I only say Fear your End.
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so here is the answer for you CM from Quran, Surah Baqarah Ayat 6 (in particular) and so on
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6*. Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.
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7. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allah's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.
And of mankind, there are some (hypocrites) who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day" while in fact they believe not.
They (think to) deceive Allah and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not!
In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allah has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.
And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers."
Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.
And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.
And when they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe," but when they are alone with their Shayatin (devils - polytheists, hypocrites, etc.), they say: "Truly, we are with you; verily, we were but mocking."
Allah mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doings to wander blindly.
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Since he works with you, it can get realllllly weird if you bring anything up, especially because you don't know how he'll take it. If he was a friend, maybe you could have said something. However, in this case, stay shhhhh.
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I remember reading about this in the Autobiography of Muhammad Ali.....they used to be known as the "black Muslims" and there beliefs r very different.....
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^that was Nation of Islam and it's quite different from what this guy told CM he is. Ali later became sunni anyway.
Since he works with you, it can get realllllly weird if you bring anything up, especially because you don't know how he'll take it. If he was a friend, maybe you could have said something. However, in this case, stay shhhhh.
Yes, maybe this is the good idea. Keep your eyes closed so that the cat dont eat you.
staying shh is what would be a very good choice for anyone against Ahmadi Muslims, because you people know very well that when it comes to giving proofs from Quran/Hadith/Sunnah, they've got all the answers.
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i usually refrain from preaching to people
but somehow i also automatically distance myself from such people
(since you asked what I would do)
Islamically, i believe you should preach to him
CM
i don't think its a good idea for you to be in this person's company. unless you do it for the purpose of preaching to him.
we've been told specifically not to keep the company of those who are against our religion
ive noticed Ahmadis have a very discreet way of brainwashing us against Pakistan/Islam and Muslim Ummah
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i have been in similar situations. yesterday i had lunch with a dude who was convinced there is a god. and the day before my friend's kid was telling me how much she loves santa. usually i just nod and smile.
i have been in similar situations. yesterday i had lunch with a dude who was convinced there is a god. and the day before my friend's kid was telling me how much she loves santa. usually i just nod and smile.
some time you are funny :D
not often though :ASA:
if u do preach him then i hope he punches u in the face afterwards..:)
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^
excuse me? didn't get that?
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Wow talk about a necrobump. I even forgot about this thread. So we had lunch again a long time ago and discussed the same situation. I explained to him how he was wrong about the final status of the Holy Prophet and all that jazz and left him to decide on the matter.
He is not speaking to one of the Moulana's at the nearby mosque to get more details on the truth of the matter and he will decide.
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What if you have a party at your home , very diversified , well educated , well behaved, well mannered people are at the party.
Shia , sunni , ahmadi and one of those well educated , well behaved , well manned person starts bashing shia , Sunni or ahmadi.
How do you handle that ? How do you control the damage ?