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Awwww. All this anger just because I exposed your lies.
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Anger? Who is angry? I am just enjoying humiliating you. You obviously did not know that you heroine Clinton had failed previously in socializing health care and she continues to push for that...and sheeple and twit brains like you believe that she is doing the right thing.
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Grow up guys honestly. Oh and move on too. Pick new enemies. leave eachother alone.
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Yes Ma'm
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...as long as the new enemy isn;t me :D
ur most welcome.
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Hurling insults will not prove your point. Infact every article you posted contradicts what you are saying. So far you haved failed to prove that HIllary said she will “push socialist agenda”. YOu are twisting and turning to prove something that’s not true.
I am beginning to feel sorry for you.
Re: Smokers, pay up!
why not live and let let live??
I personnaly don't like smoking..and people smoking around me, but everyone has bad habits, they just differ from one person to another...
no one is perfect..
accepting others' faults is more noble....
picking on others' failure is a way to ignore our own failures
getting together and sharing a commmunity system that provides for everyone on the basis that all individual failures will get diluted in the good qualities from all individual is the basis of social solidarity!
it's all what health insurance should be about
ps, I am sorry for my bad english
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Bush voters should pay higher taxes to go toward the massive debt he is piling up, the favors he is giving to the oil industry and other Friends of the GOP and to fund his personal war against Iraq. Oh, wait. His supporters are actually getting tax breaks, shifting the burden even more to those who never wanted to fund his inept and dishonest campaign as president.
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Hillary prefers Universal Heath Care while Bush prefers Universal War.
As the richest country in the world it's an embarrassment not all citizens have heath insurance and that needs to change. In addition to that we need a system that will reward American companies like General Motors who have a massive burden on their shoulders by covering health insurance costs for tens of thousands of employees and retires. While there are those who would like to leave the sick out in the cold with no help it is the duty of America to protect it's citizens.
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parissenoor, it's not about not letting the smokers live. They are more than welcome to carry on their habits but like all choices in life, you have to take up the responsability for your actions.
Ms. Lazy, it's not as simple as just buying your food and cooking it. For example, at McDonalds you can get a chicken sandwich for a $1 while the salad is $3. Anyone strapped no cash will cut corners and will probably go for the $1 option and so we see that in poor & lower income neighborhoods obesity is a big problem. The same poor people work labour jobs where they are paid by the hour and often according to their calculations they might as well work an extra hour than the spend the same hour at home cooking.
But cash is just one part of the equation; it's also about awareness, what food groups the government subsidizes etc.
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dear ahmadjee, spreading indivdual responsabilities over a mass is the basic principle of insurance, and once you strt to deny it there is no need to pay for insurance. hence when someone take ones own responsabilities he foots himself his bills!! and does not ask an insurance to do it for him…
let me tell you another example…women who do not have babies or are not breastfeeding cost a lot because of breastcancer, so health should not accept those women…on the other hand a pregnant woman has a higher risk of serious desease than other women…so who should pay more for the insurance??
please i know LI/kaleem fight is troubling that thread but my first post adressed that issue and no one notice..
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=3728312&postcount=57
infact i wonder who are you to judge one behavior?? that question i try to ask myself a lot…because it is the key to humility…
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At least in a socialists healthcare system you can afford to see a doctor. How many people can see a doctor in US if they have common cold? Due to ridiculous prices of healthcare in US no one can even think about seeing a doctor for minor problems like cold.
I would rather wait 3 days to see a doctor in a socialist healthcare system as compare to not being able to afford to see a doctor at all in an American capitalist healthcare system.
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parissenoor, I am not saying we won't chip in to pay for a smoker's health cost but to discourage his choices and to encourage those who take care of their health, they should be made to pay higher premiums. Just like it happens in the car insurance.
Regarding the two examples you quoted, I can assure you that the choice of smoking has by far a greater impact on your health than the choice to not having babies. And the second example doesn’t even apply because on one side you have reproduction of the human race vs. killing your own lungs. Almost opposite.
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let me outline a very important difference btw car insurance and health insurance, when your car is out of order because it is old your insurance does not have to pay to replace damaged pieces…hence it does have to worry about the lifespan of your car
on the other hand, health insurance is paying for your body disfunctiun when you grow older hence health insurer do have to worry about your lifespan…and I was saying that maybe all things considered equal, smoking costs were not that bad compare to savings made on dead smokers never growing old…what do you guys think??
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parrissenoor, I know smoker who are 80+ and have plenty of other problems along with lung issues. Not all smokers die young, or have lung cancer, but it is a fact that when they get older they are in a far worse condition than average non-smoker.
edit: And the difference you pointed out is well taken :k: but does this mean that we shouldn’t promote healthy choices and discourage unhealthy ones? I think the reason the insurance has to take care of you when you get older, it should be more concerned about the choices you make when young.
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i agree with you! but i did some research in a lab last year…and that made me aware of the short term state of the art in science, let me explain:
what people think is good for health now, can be outdated 50 years later when one is old and in need for health care, so my concern is not about smoking to be honest ahmadjee i don’t smoke for many reasons…but where to draw the line btw so called healthy and unhealthy habits…
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Parissenoor bibi, trust me ... people 50 years from now will still say smoking cause’s cancer and kills your lung, just like people 50 years from now will consider deliberately being exposed to x-rays as stupid.
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i’m not debating that ahmadjee…but where is the borderline…is spending holidays on a trpoical island bad? is eating tea with sugar bad…? how far will they go anddictate us how we should live??
btw, before workers in france had to undergo a Xray scanning of their chest each year to check for tuberculosis, now you say it is stupid but 50years earlier tiuberculosis was a bigger concern than lung cancer.. one can never be sure about the future
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AS, how about getting off your arse and working so you can afford to see a doctor? I understand that health insurance is not cheap, but you can always go to hospitals to get seen…you know how the illegals do drive up the cost of health insurance. If you ask me ahmadjee should be griping about the illegals eating his lunch (tax money) instead of smokers who contribute by paying their taxes and oh btw paying exubrent amount of money to buy the cigs …thanks to a-hole clinton for putting $2/pack tax on cigs. Ahmadjee, how much more do you want from the smokers? Their blood…Does your greed know no bounds?
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UTD, ever heard of the concept called reward? Yep, when you work and earn your way,you get rewarded with being able to buy medical insurance. If you do not work and want a hand out all the time… I am sorry, please go to Al Gore, Bill Clinton and Howard Dean.. I am sure they will be happy to part with their estates and big mansions to help the poor folks.
Nice twist there regrding GM. The whole mess was created by the workers union backed by..yes you guessed it dems and liberals…so you force a company to almost certain bankruptcy and then cry about the worker’s welfare…hypocrisy at its best. you guys are savages who feast on the weak, but I have to hand it to you…the prey does not even realize that its been had.