^Rauf Klasra seems to be giving clues to terrorists on how to get to Musharraf.
Ha ha.............there is almost a plea in his report.
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Let's hope Rauf Klasra doesn't attempt something himself
Lets not use his profession for defending his actions...actions that are high treason per the constitution........He must be held accountable there no question what he did was wrong and I will not shed a tear if he was hanged but that may only put a deterant for Army takeovers.....It will not stop all the other corruption thats is and has happened.....it will definitely put some fear in all others but it will not be justice.
Musharraf took oath on constitution to serve the country and government working for the good of country, not obey or let go corrupts and crooks who got into government and were destroying the country with their lies, loot, nepotism, corruption, mismanagement and mal-practices. It is not high treason rather serving the country when a general saves the country from such crooks and traitor like Nawaz Shareef who sold Kargil for few sugar mills from India.
So youd rather die at the hand of a general rather then a politician..........fair enough. The only problem is that some of the crimes of Mush have so grave consequences for this country that you cant paint him as a man of uniform. I mean what sort of a general sells his people to the enemy and then announce it proudly in his book. What guardian of the nation allows its land to be bombarded by the enemy. "I am a commando Main darta nai hoon but they were gonna bomb us to stone age". I am not saying we wouldnt be in the mess we are in FATA and Balochistan but this should have been handled with a lot more care
Please do not lie and do propaganda: Musharraf did not sold his own people to anyone but only handed over criminals of other countries living illegally in Pakistan to their country and when their country did not took than to USA who wanted those criminals.
As for allowing enemy to bombard Pakistan, that is also lie. First of all, Musharraf did not allowed anyone to bomb Pakistan, but even if USA did occasionally bombed at that time (what USA is doing regularly these days), than reason is not that they are enemy bombing Pakistan, but they are main donor of Pakistan economically as well as militarily, and it is interest of Pakistan that Pakistan has good relation with them. The mess in FATA and Baluchistan is not because of American bombing Pakistan but some retards in these areas are denying accepting writ of Pakistan government.
So what country did this chap’s father belong to, Namibia?
You have to first find out if this chap’s father has disappeared due to some other reasons and there is no government involvement (as Pakistan is a lawless country and many Pakistani disappears regularly). Further, if he is really in custody than we have to find out that why he is in custody and where he is in custody. It is possible that he is a local terrorist in custody of Pakistani security institution (something justifiable) or he is terrorist caught in Afghanistan and is with American authority (that is fine too).
I believe (though that is speculation and I might be wrong) that he might be in custody of Pakistani security because of his links with terrorists and traitors fighting state (Pakistan) and thus his custody is justified. Anyhow, this type of disappearance without letting family members know his whereabouts is maybe wrong for countries in peaceful time, but acceptable for a low resource country like Pakistan, especially when country is fighting a war within country for safety of the country, as there are number of traitors and terrorists fighting state (Pakistan) who do not accept the writ of Pakistani government and are working against Pakistan as traitors.
Please do not lie and do propaganda: Musharraf did not sold his own people to anyone but only handed over criminals of other countries living illegally in Pakistan to their country and when their country did not took than to USA who wanted those criminals.
As for allowing enemy to bombard Pakistan, that is also lie. First of all, Musharraf did not allowed anyone to bomb Pakistan, but even if USA did occasionally bombed at that time (what USA is doing regularly these days), than reason is not that they are enemy bombing Pakistan, but they are** main donor of Pakistan** economically as well as militarily, and it is interest of Pakistan that Pakistan has good relation with them. The mess in FATA and Baluchistan is not because of American bombing Pakistan but some retards in these areas are denying accepting writ of Pakistan government.
very well...............so how much for bombing Lahore or karachi.
How can those arresting these people give a verdict on their guilt as well.
Where will you stop............
in the name of low resources why not we abolish all the judicial system all the jails and on spot punishments..............let these agencies be the one and all. There has to be a stage when we say enough is enough.
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***And so it begins 
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LAHORE: A constitutional petition has been moved in the Supreme Court of Pakistan seeking trial of former President Gen Pervez Musharraf under Article 6 of the Constitution and directions for federal government not to allow him to leave the country.
The petition has been filed by advocate Zahid Hussain Malik through his counsel Dr Farooq Hassan under Article 184 (3) at Supreme Court Registry here.
The petitioner has sought declarations against Pervez Musharraf that by his admittedly unconstitutional actions of November 3, 2007 he committed a subversion of the constitution as outlined in Article 6 when he imposed by an act of a ‘patent usurpation’ emergency in the country.
After the imposition of emergency he proceeded to the dismissal of the entire superior judiciary consisting at that time of around 94 judges and then detaining those who stood by the dictates of their conscience and declined to take another oath of allegiance to him under the Provisional Constitutional Order unlawfully imposed by him that day in the country.
The petitioner hopes that the federal government, through its secretary defence, proceeds against Gen Musharraf in accordance with the provisions of Article 6 read with the high treason act of 1973 and also for his trial by the creation of a Court Martial under the Pakistan Army Act for violating the provisions relating to officers of the army in accordance with the law.
DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Constitutional petition moved in SC against Musharraf
You have to first find out if this chap's father has disappeared due to some other reasons and there is no government involvement (as Pakistan is a lawless country and many Pakistani disappears regularly). Further, if he is really in custody than we have to find out that why he is in custody and where he is in custody. It is possible that he is a local terrorist in custody of Pakistani security institution (something justifiable) or he is terrorist caught in Afghanistan and is with American authority (that is fine too).
I believe (though that is speculation and I might be wrong) that he might be in custody of Pakistani security because of his links with terrorists and traitors fighting state (Pakistan) and thus his custody is justified. Anyhow, this type of disappearance without letting family members know his whereabouts is maybe wrong for countries in peaceful time, but acceptable for a low resource country like Pakistan, especially when country is fighting a war within country for safety of the country, as there are number of traitors and terrorists fighting state (Pakistan) who do not accept the writ of Pakistani government and are working against Pakistan as traitors.
Why was Musharraf reluctant to release information on whereabouts of the 400+ people? Why did Mush not declare the list of detained people? If any Pakistani was deemed terrorist he must've been prosecuted in Pakistan before handing out to USA for $5000 (or whatever the amount was).
Being a major donor doesn't give you right to kick your behind or cut your limbs.
and 9 years later forgave all the crimes of those criminals, didn’t prosecute criminals and made deals with those criminals to continue to stay in power 
Why was Musharraf reluctant to release information on whereabouts of the 400+ people? Why did Mush not declare the list of detained people? If any Pakistani was deemed terrorist he must've been prosecuted in Pakistan before handing out to USA for $5000 (or whatever the amount was).
Being a major donor doesn't give you right to kick your behind or cut your limbs.
Pakistan never gave any Pakistani terrorists to USA. Only people who were handed over to USA were foreigners who got arrested in Pakistan and their original country did not wanted to take them. These people were those who did not surrendered to Pakistan so they can be legally registered, but they decided to stay illegally in Pakistan (you should remember that Musharraf government gave every foreigner terrorists chance to surrender and get officially register if they want to live in Pakistan).
Actually, according to an official, when it was found by Pakistani government that there were some Pakistani prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, people in government (President Musharraf and others) got surprised and after investigation learned that those prisoners were made prisoners in Afghanistan. Anyhow, once government learned of their existence in Guantanamo bay, Pakistan government immediately started steps to get them back to Pakistan, and thus Pakistan was the first (and only country for long time) that did everything to get their citizen back from American prison in Guantanamo bay.
Regardless of this effort by Pakistan government to bring back Pakistani terrorists from Guantanamo bay, terrorists, their Pakistani supporters, and their sympathisers kept accusing Pakistan government that Pakistan handed over Pakistanis to USA, just like these propagandists accuse that Pakistan allowed USA to attack Afghanistan (as if USA attacked Afghanistan after taking permission of his ‘Royal highness’ in Pakistan).
These terrorists and their retarded supporters think that Afghanistan is Pakistan and government in USA was under the control of Pakistani government, moving on directions from Pakistan (that is why they blame whatever USA does in Afghanistan on Pakistan). Situation would be different if propagandists only realise that Afghanistan and Pakistan is two independent countries, USA acts without permission of Pakistan, what USA is doing in Afghanistan is supporting one group of Afghans against other group of Afghans. and that USA is ally of Pakistan much before any relationship of Pakistan with Afghanistan. Pakistan was getting military and economical help from USA since 1950s, when Afghanistan gave nothing to Pakistan, rather Afghanistan was working full time throughout as Indian and Russian allay, trying to dismember Pakistan. Even Taliban government in Afghanistan harmed Pakistan by promoting sectarian violence, religious intolerance, and gun culture in Pakistan.
It is propaganda that Musharraf forgave crimes of any criminals (except obviously Nawaz and Shahbaz). Actually, Musharraf did not pardon or forgave any criminals or their crimes except crimes of Nawaz and Shahbaz whom Musharraf gave pardon in 2000. As for NRO, that is not pardoning or forgiving crimes of criminals. It is to do with withdrawing cases of accused, the cases that were lingering on for over 10 years without convictions (and that mean, NRO does not apply to anyone who was accused after military takeover in 1999 and cases started).
As for continuing in power as President, that was not dependent on NRO, as Musharraf did not waited to get elected after 2008 election on votes of those who benefitted from NRO (so no one in their right mind except propagandist could say that Musharraf’s victory in presidential election was due to NRO).
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Looks like Mushy's name will most likely end up on the ECL :)
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Even some Musharraf critics accept that his first 6 years were much better than previous democratic regimes.
I don't know why we re-tried something that, we know didn't work before.
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^ An independent bench will be reviewing the NRO, dont worry :)
p.s. mush was alright till 2002, after that it was all downhill and he was betrayed by the same crooks he brought on board in that election drama of 2002.
It is propaganda that Musharraf forgave crimes of any criminals (except obviously Nawaz and Shahbaz). Actually, Musharraf did not pardon or forgave any criminals or their crimes except crimes of Nawaz and Shahbaz whom Musharraf gave pardon in 2000. As for NRO, that is not pardoning or forgiving crimes of criminals. It is to do with withdrawing cases of accused, the cases that were lingering on for over 10 years without convictions (and that mean, NRO does not apply to anyone who was accused after military takeover in 1999 and cases started).
As for continuing in power as President, that was not dependent on NRO, as Musharraf did not waited to get elected after 2008 election on votes of those who benefitted from NRO (so no one in their right mind except propagandist could say that Musharraf’s victory in presidential election was due to NRO).
It's a pity you can not see the facts, infact you don't want to see the fact due to your prejudice.
A dictator can not see an inch beyond his survival and you can not register this basic fact.
FYI, there was an amount of 2.5 billion dollars lying in frozen accounts of BB/Zardari for which they were unable to give any legitimate source of these fund and therefore these funds were kept frozen for a period of over 10 years by several foreign governments. Due to NRO these funds were supposed to be released for which Ch. Iftikahar gave a stay against NRO. Musharraf deposed the CJ and arrested 60 judges in an illegal move, and his pocket Doger court vacated this stay thus unfreezing these funds. Musharraaf released these funds in a deal with BB in return of her pledge that Musharraf will remain the president.
It's amazing who you twist and conveniently omit the facts to support the illegal dictator who deposed and arrested the judges who he feared will rule against his illegal election. He tried to strike deals with politicians to prolong his illegal tenure. He even tried to murder the CJ, and his own created political party's MNA is on record admitting to this fact. He used his terrorist partners MQM to kill more than 50 people on May 12th 2007 by attacking people who were rallying for rule of law and independent judiciary in the country.
You are really defending a lost and already rejected stance by the people of Pakistan. A vast majority of the people of Pakistan do support that there should be legal proceedings against him and his pocket judges Dogar and company according to article 6 of the constitution. Ofcourse you can demand that these legal proceedings should be transparent and neutral, and defendants should be given full chance to defend themselves in the court.
And don't try to give all these strictly legal matters an etnic colour. Saner people from all provices and ethnicities want the law to take it's course and impartial justice should be done strictly according to the law of the land.