One of our esteemed guppy says: “islam DOES allow slavery, brother there is NO quranic ayah or sunnah that abolishes slavery… does not FORCE it…”
I don’t have the ahdaith at the moment that talk about this, anyone with knowledge (based on Quran & ahadith and/or seerah) on this subject please enlighten us… jaza-ka-Allah
it has been discussed in sabaya thread…very very extensively…
In Ar-Raheeo Al Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar) the author says in the section called "The Prophet Household" that the Prophet (S.A.W.) had four concubines
1. Why is it that having concubines is not haram?
2. Can other muslims have concubines?.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Allaah is Most Wise in the laws that He decrees for His slaves, but this wisdom is only apparent to those who seek it and believe that Allaah is All Wise, and looks at the interests that are served by the laws of Allaah which no man can see unless he ponders the matter, especially when there are those who attack those laws because they go against what they think are right and wise.
With regard to your question about it being permissible for a master to be intimate with his slave woman, the answer is that that is because Allaah has permitted it. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
6. Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”
[al-Mu’minoon 23:6; al-Ma’aarij 70:30]
That is subject to the condition that he has acquired her in a proper manner, and that this slave woman has not been given by her master in marriage to another man to whom she is still married. The reason why this is permitted is that this slave woman belongs to him, either because he has paid money to buy her or he has fought for the sake of Allaah (and acquired her among the war booty).
Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The reason for which people may be taken as slaves is if they are kaafirs who are waging war against Allaah and His Messenger. If Allaah grants victory to the mujaahid Muslims, who are offering their souls, their wealth and all their resources and everything that Allaah has given them so that the word of Allaah might prevail over the kuffaar, then these kuffaar may become slaves, unless the imam chooses to let them go or to ransom them if that serves the interests of the Muslims.
Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 3/387
Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
If it is said: If the slave is a Muslim, how can he be kept as a slave if the reason for which people may be taken as slaves is if they are kaafirs who are waging war against Allaah and His Messenger? The answer is that the basic principle which is well known to the scholars and all wise people is that a right that is already established by shar’i means cannot be superceded by rights that are established later on.
When the Muslims take prisoners of war, they are given the right to enslave them by the law of the Creator of all, and He is the All-Wise, All-Aware. If this right is established, then the slave becomes a Muslim after that, his right to be freed from slavery because of his Islam is superceded by the right of the mujaahid whose right to enslave him took effect before he was a Muslim. It is not just or fair to waive the former right because of a latter right, as is well known to all wise people.
Yes, it is good for the owner to set him free if he becomes Muslim, and Islam enjoins that and encourages it, and opens the door to doing so in many ways – he is referring to the fact that Allaah has decreed that when expiation takes the form of freeing a slave, the slave in question should be a Muslim –
Glory be to the All Wise, All Aware: “And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All‑Hearer, the All‑Knower” [al-An’aam 6:115].
“In truth” means in what He has told us; “in justice” means in His rulings.
Undoubtedly that justice includes owning slaves and other rulings that are mentioned in the Qur’aan.
Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 3/389.
With regard to Muslims owning slaves, he should be very careful to establish that those who are bought or sold now are indeed slaves, because Islam has limited the sources of slaves which were many before the coming of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and has allowed only one source, which is kaafir prisoners of war, when the kuffaar are fighting the Muslims. There is no other way in which they may be enslaved except those who are captured as a result of fighting between kaffirs and Muslims, or their children. See also questions no. 26067 and 12562 for more information.
And Allaah knows best.
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Re: Slavery in Islam
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*Originally posted by ChaChoo: *
One of our esteemed guppy says: "islam DOES allow slavery, brother there is NO quranic ayah or sunnah that abolishes slavery..... does not FORCE it..."
I don't have the ahdaith at the moment that talk about this, anyone with knowledge (based on Quran & ahadith and/or seerah) on this subject please enlighten us… jaza-ka-Allah
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Dear ChaChoo, you can see Mullahtic idiotics have strong basis in Sharia in support of slavery.
Sure they say "Islam doesn't enforce it". Heck that is the same point I was making. Sharia doesn't force people to be hung just because they said "Assalamo Alaikum", or wrote "Alhamdo Lillah" on a Shaadi (marriage) card. Sharia doesn't force women to get raped and then get stoned due to the lack of 4 witnesses.
What we have is Talibob-ism getting copied by 2-bit uncouth Mullahtic idiotics that are hell bent on destroying a peaceful way of life called "Islam". Wait for a few days, these fanatics will get all the aya, hadees, and you name it, to support the slavery. You ought to see how they are using Islam for brutalizing men and women in Darfur.
darfur has nothing to do with islam. those people are just fighting for "grazing" lands and waht not. no one in islamic lands supports darfur crisis,only you in your mullah obsessed mind can think of muslims supporting the oppressers of darfur.
but ok chachoo, if u become a khalifah of islamic lands and u say that our policy toward prisoners of war is that we exchange them for our prisoners or release them once hostilities are over and we do not want to keep them slaves becuase I as a khalifah have this power then i would agree with you, but if u say that ISLAM forbids slavery then i would disagree. so u see, the ruler of the land has the power to do anything he wants with the prisoners of war as long as he is just (doesnt force them into islam or any thing else)
Tandy does it even occur to you that your understanding of the subject could be wrong.. so wrong that u don't even come near to the whole meaning of the phrase "ma malakat aimanukum"..
there are words for slaves in arabic.. there is a reason those weren't used.. but trust Mullahs to force their own interpretations to keep cultural practices alive..
do we expect transmission of 'evidence' by people like Bukhari.. whose income came from slave trading so he could afford the time and liesure to go on expeditions collecting stories..
saheeh hadith are stories?
mock allah and his rasul :saw: and verily we will testify against you on the day of judgement
and what else can right hand possession mean? dont bring me that the righ hand posession is calling for masturbation, i have heard that long time ago from some mod muslims who were ashamed of slavery in quran.
why are u getting your undies in a bunch? where did I mock Allah and rasul?.. keep your baseless accusations to yourself.
a myriad of different things.. i.e. if someone puts their mind to it.. and no.. it may not mean what your dirty mind suggested.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
why are u getting your undies in a bunch? where did I mock Allah and rasul?.. keep your baseless accusations to yourself.
a myriad of different things.. i.e. if someone puts their mind to it.. and no.. it may not mean what your dirty mind suggested.
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my dirty mind? didnt i say that a "mod muslim" told me that it could mean that.
any how, please tell me what else can it mean? and mind you we have to keep in mind that we cant translate quran out of context, some words might mean something in dictionary but the contextual meaning will be different. so tell me what it means keeping the context of time of its revelation .