Slaughter as US attacks Najaf!

AT LEAST 165 people were killed and more than 600 wounded in heavy fighting across Iraq over the past 24 hours as US marines moved to wipe out Moqtada al-Sadr’s militia forces in the holy city of Najaf.

As US tanks, armoured vehicles and helicopter gunships attacked the radical cleric’s Mehdi Army, the rebels fired mortar rounds from the courtyard of the Imam Ali mosque, one of the holiest Shi’ite sites.

Within hours of the onslaught, US marines claimed to control the city centre. But hundreds of rebels were believed to have dispersed in the tunnels beneath Najaf’s cemetery to prepare for a last stand.

Iraqi civil defence forces and police units were sent to seal off the holy areas.

Tanks blocked roads leading to the mosque, while US troops broadcast messages in Arabic saying the offensive was aimed at Sadr’s militia.

“Leave the city,” the message said. “Help coalition forces and do not fire at them. We are here to liberate the city.”

But the mosque broadcast its own message, urging fighters to defend Najaf. “God bless our courageous mujaheddin,” the message said.

US military officials have made clear the rebellion will be crushed at all costs,** despite criticism by Iraqi Deputy President Irbrahim al-Jaffari, who last night described the US onslaught as “vicious”.**

Soon after the attack began, Najaf deputy governor Jawdat Kadam Najem al-Kuraishi quit in protest. “I resign from my post denouncing all the US terrorist operations they are doing against this holy city,” he said.

Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi issued a statement saying the shrine would be safe from attack and would not be entered by the US-led forces.

The offensive was preceded by heavy US bombing of another Shi’ite holy city, Kut, north of Najaf.

The Iraqi Health Ministry said 75 people were killed and 148 wounded in that attack.

The ministry said 44 died and 164 were wounded in Baghdad, mostly in the Shi’ite stronghold of Sadr City. The early fighting in Najaf left 25 dead and 153 wounded; 14 were killed and 77 wounded in Amara; and seven were killed and 52 wounded in Diwaniya.

The US-led assault aims to strengthen the position of Mr Allawi’s interim government and deter further rebellions.

It is a high-stakes move, given that the heavy loss of life will be shown on television. And while US audiences will see reassuring images of helicopters in the sky, Arab viewers are receiving the raw, emotive pictures of the slaughter of the rebels.

The outcome of the conflict may be inevitable, given the overwhelming firepower on the US side, but the images that may reassure anxious US voters will inflame opinion in the broader Arab world.

Slaughter as US attacks Najaf!

Deja Vu yet again another terrorist attack from the US occupiers, hitting civillians and then saying they doing it for the iraqi people. Even the US created Puppet Iraq regime is shocked and people resigning in disgust at the Amerikkans and there terror tactics!

Let's just hope they are allowed to finish the job quickly this time. It's obvious that Sadr and his militia only understand brute force. The Iraqi government is being tested by this murdering thug and it must show that it will meet brute force with even bruter force.

Get these goons and their weapons out of the mosques which most assuredly is a sacrilege and affront to Islam. Root them out from what they perceive as the protective human shields they so callously use. Send a message to all who are like them that there WILL be free elections in Iraq and the average Iraqi is entitled to streets free of the terrorist trash and free of the fear of being dismembered by those mutating the good name of Islam into something vile and obscene.

^^ najaf attack scaled back.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5455104/

why the surprise over civilian deaths? when this militia is holed up in and operating from an obviously civilian locale, that will undoubtedly be the result. likewise, why is there surprise if a masjid is damaged or doubt over whether the holy shrine will be in harms way? when this militia launches attacks from within the confines of the masjid, there will obviously be retaliation. but to my knowledge, the holy shrine has not been entered yet despite insurgent occupancy.

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Darn!!! :mad:

It’s getting to be like a game played in repetitive cycles. Al Sadr creates unrest and violence. His militia gets pounded and a bunch of innocent Iraqi bystanders get killed. A cease fire occurs. Sadr’s militia rests and recruits some more fodder. And then we get to start all over again.

FINISH IT. ONCE AND FOR ALL.

myvoice. maybe its not sadr who trips up. he might just know the lay of the land better than those occupying it.

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That's what I'm saying. He DOES know the lay of the land better and he's playing the US forces and the Iraqi government like a fiddle. Rest assured, that if this cease fire holds, there will be the Battle for Najaf: Part III very soon and another few hundred Iraqis will die while Sadr pulls the strings to feed his own ego. And, of course, the US and the Iraqi government will be painted as the villains.

Some interesting information about internal politics going on among Shiites…
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-bull13aug13,1,4984525.story

The Real Battle of Najaf: for the Shiite Soul COMMENTARY

By Bartle Breese Bull
While Muqtada Sadr, Iraq’s young Shiite firebrand, leads his insurrection from the holy city of Najaf, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani — the spiritual leader of Iraq’s 15 million Shiite Muslims — sits silently in London, recovering from heart surgery. We are watching two battles for Najaf: the physical fight raging between Sadr’s Mahdi militia and the U.S. military, and a subtler struggle for influence within Iraq’s Shiite majority — a struggle that is in many ways a battle for the future of the country.

Najaf, as the resting place of Imam Ali, the founder of the Shiite branch of Islam, is the holiest city on Earth for the world’s 200 million Shiite Muslims. The leaders of the city’s clerical community are the natural leaders of the global Shiite community, whose members everywhere aspire to be buried in the cemetery where so much of the fighting is taking place. The spiritual prestige of these leaders produces enormous temporal power as well, and it is this political standing that Sadr seeks to usurp.

Sistani is the most senior of Najaf’s four grand ayatollahs, and doubts about his health have highlighted the issue of who will replace him in the religious realm. Regardless of timing, any spiritual successor to Sistani could come only from among the other three. All three, like Sistani, eschew the sort of direct political rule exercised by the mullahs of Iran. All are in their 70s.

The only native Iraqi among them is Mohammed Said Hakim. Some observers believe he would lean toward the policies of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, a Shiite political group that is run by his cousin and that has historical ties to Iran. The council allied itself with the U.S.-led coalition during the war and has been relatively cooperative with the occupation since then.

Bashir Najafi, a Pakistani who has been in Iraq most of his life, has been an outspoken critic of the occupation and, as the most radical and anti-American of Sistani’s potential successors, could be expected to take a more activist line.

The third grand ayatollah is Mohammed Ishaq Fayyad, who, of the three, is the most committed opponent of Iran-style clerical rule.

No front-runner has emerged, and nobody knows for how many weeks or decades Sistani will survive the three blocked arteries that caused his trip to London.

What is certain, however, is that the conditions feeding the rage of the urban poor who currently dominate Iraqi Shiite politics will not disappear in the near future. Iraq’s slums are some of the most demoralizing places on Earth — places like Sadr City in Baghdad, an urban wilderness of cinderblock and wire where families live nine to a room and sewage and engine oil bake in the gutters. There are no jobs and seemingly no prospects of them. The feeling of impotence is pervasive.

After 30 years of Sunni apartheid under Saddam Hussein, Shiites are impatient for change. They were betrayed by the British in 1930, with the arrival of a foreign prince who ruled through the Sunni minority. They were betrayed by the United States in 1991, when they followed George H.W. Bush’s exhortations and rose against Hussein, only to be crushed. They form 60% of Iraq’s population and have waited centuries to run their own affairs. They cannot understand why Hussein’s fall has brought so little improvement to their lot.

Sadr draws his support largely from the disaffected male youth of Iraq’s Shiite slums. Even though he is identified as a cleric, the power he wields does not derive from religious authority. Depending on who is counting, he is between 24 and 30 years old, and it is debatable whether he has even completed his seminarian training. Even if he had the requisite juridical talent, it would take him 30 or 40 years to become a grand ayatollah.

But his temporal power is substantial. In a nationwide poll conducted by the coalition authorities in May, only 2% backed him for Iraq’s presidency, but that’s not really a measure of his power. The same poll showed that he enjoyed 68% approval nationwide. His standing comes partly from the prestige of his father, a grand ayatollah killed by Hussein’s people in 1999.

Sadr represents a set of grievances and aspirations embodied in a movement that exists with or without him, whatever his fate as the U.S. soldiers fight their way ever closer to the Imam Ali shrine where he has taken refuge.

Sistani’s silence while battle blazes through Najaf — his home and the wellspring of his authority — is not as remarkable as it might seem. For all the “quietism” that has seen him shun formal political roles, Sistani is an active political player. He has imposed prior truces in Najaf and Karbala, scuppered U.S. plans for regional caucuses in the constitutional process, forced the June 30 hand-over date and dictated the abandonment of federalism in the latest United Nations resolution.

Quietism is different from quiet, and Sistani’s current silence is a loud, clear refusal to rescue a man whom senior Shiites see as an unruly thug and who is a rival to Sistani for power in the Shiite community.

Whoever emerges as the main channel for Shiite political energy in Iraq, the thrust of that energy will be the same: maximum power for the majority via a maximum of direct democracy, as little federalism as possible, and as much Islam as possible. The question of whether Iraq’s Shiites can deliver the conditions for a lasting, unified country acceptable to its minorities will be determined by the winner of the real battle for Najaf.

Bartle Breese Bull, an author and journalist, recently returned from assignment in Iraq. His next book, about Harlem, will be published next year by Public Affairs.

Only a few months ago Sadrs chappal did wonders for yanks… Now the yanks have a better spin, it was the Iraqi army who ran with their tail between their legs… How very convenient.. how very very convenient..!!. If young sadr keeps his chappal swinging like always it will do wnders for yanks.

Meanwhile in the crucial oil-port city of Basra, where 90 percent of the country’s oil flows out to global markets, Sadr’s Mahdi Army controls the center of the city. They took the city after British troops stopped patrolling and retreated into their bases following heavy fighting on Tuesday. The fighting left one British soldier dead and many injured. Since then the Mahdi Army have taken over the streets. The Iraqi police still there are working hand-in-hand with the rebels.

hI!!!

It is all for unity of muslims. American can not afford to fight with shia. They did nt forget British war with the same shia in past history. They also know that in lebanon all had shown back to the cause of palestine but Hiz bul lah.

american can not forget, that just after down fall of Baghdad, On 40th day of shias moharam mourning day, how much all shias of iraq were found organised. CNN had said it is unbelievable how easily, without any casuality, they had taken out the procession of about 4 to 4.5 million people,.And on top of it they were giving water and some snacks to every one of them.

America would try to show their power ,but would ask interm government to intervine and get them, reach on some compromise with Muqtada sidr.

Although he is a young man, but he has some norms of war. They announce, they come ahead to fight, they never kill or behead innocent people. They have some rules and regulations. America have understood that they are different; so they would get the solution of the problem with muqtada sidr.

And at the end Muqtada would allow americans to stay till the time they conduct elections.

I have strong believe that no one can kill any body until it is MAKTOUB this way from GOD (A). so lets not worry, if they die for a true cause to save Mazar e Najjaf.

So let us pray for those shaheeds to get jannatul firdous. Amin suma ameen Bye Sokoon

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Only a few months ago Sadrs chappal did wonders for yanks... ......If young sadr keeps his chappal swinging like always it will do wnders for yanks.

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He sure know how to swing the "chappal" or his bearded behind from a sacred tomb.

Had he possessed an iota of courage, his militia will be fighting outside the city. Hiding behind woman and children is plain cowardice.

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He sure know how to swing the "chappal" or his bearded behind from a sacred tomb.

Had he possessed an iota of courage, his militia will be fighting outside the city. Hiding behind woman and children is plain cowardice.
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And raping women and children is bravery... perhaps you are a great fan of these civilised ......... you can send yours to find out first hand... Or would you like to check with 5000 cannon fodder indians what they thing about trailer trash bravery.... Its posted right here...

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Hi!!

Why can not we all discuss things calmly? Why we come down to the level of GALAM GALOUG.

It is so sad, I cauld not become a source of decent discussions.

Please discuss. During discussions, we should be totally impartial at the first place.

We should not think keeping in mind, who is right and who is wrong prior to discussions.

Since in such forums one can discuss all sorts of doubts one cook in his/her brain, with others; and some times gets totally convinced, with gentlemen/gentle women kind of discussions.

Why shall we all think other person is the same kind of person as we are?. May be other muslim does not have ideas like general muslims.

For example I do not think that war with israel is/was is doing any good to muslim ummah as a whole and to arabs in general. I am not writing this thread on the forum because I think you all would attack me with all DANA PANI. I mean with all kinds of abuses.

This kind of attitude is not correct. We all should be openned minded people and must be able to discuss all sorts of topics without abusing each other. Bye Sokoon

US forces are causing all the problems. During the cease-fire the forces kept doing injustices there in Najaf area forcing the Iraqis to take action. What do u expect them to do, sit there and watch the US troops arrest people and do injustice in their area during a cease-fire? The Iraqis in Najaf are protecting the Imam Ali :as: shrine and they are doing nothing wrong. US troops should withdraw from Najaf, they should’ve left Iraq a long time ago, but it’s too late to leave now.

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Hi!!

Why can not we all discuss things calmly? Why we come down to the level of GALAM GALOUG.

It is so sad, I cauld not become a source of decent discussions.

Please discuss. During discussions, we should be totally impartial at the first place.

We should not think keeping in mind, who is right and who is wrong prior to discussions.

Since in such forums one can discuss all sorts of doubts one cook in his/her brain, with others; and some times gets totally convinced, with gentlemen/gentle women kind of discussions.

Why shall we all think other person is the same kind of person as we are?. May be other muslim does not have ideas like general muslims.

For example I do not think that war with israel is/was is doing any good to muslim ummah as a whole and to arabs in general. I am not writing this thread on the forum because I think you all would attack me with all DANA PANI. I mean with all kinds of abuses.

This kind of attitude is not correct. We all should be openned minded people and must be able to discuss all sorts of topics without abusing each other. Bye Sokoon
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Thank you...

now would all of us listen to sis. sokoon and be more civilized, open minded, tolerant and productive....i hope she is not asking for much....thanks a lot...

Protecting it from what!? Do you think the U.S. wants to destroy the Shine? Making a militant base in the shrine should insult Muslims everywhere, but again as long as the religion card is played the sheep will follow. Bah.

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Protecting it from what!? Do you think the U.S. wants to destroy the Shine? Making a militant base in the shrine should insult Muslims everywhere, but again as long as the religion card is played the sheep will follow. Bah.
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The US troops aren't just after the shrine they are after control of the whole Najaf and soon they will have control of Iraq. So what are the Iraqis doing wrong then when they are just protecting their city and country.

And when the miliant bases are concerned the US already has enough bases in Iraq to insult the Muslims of the world. Bases in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and a bunch more Islamic countries. Is that not insulting to Muslims?

Even the tyrant madman Saddam was smart enough not to mess with the shrine when ruling Iraq.

The U.S. is not trying to control Iraq, it is trying to bring control to Iraq, do you understand there is a difference?

They are attempting to bring stability to Iraq so the process of rebuilding can go forth without the threat of bombings and kidnappings hanging overhead. While I will concur with you that the Bush administrations handling of Iraq has been a flawed one that does not justify the militant’s response which only serves those that hate America and does nothing for the people of Iraq. Securing security is what Iraq desperately needs so that they may move forward.

fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me...you can't get fooled again...

It's time to get out of under the dome!