I would just like to explain my sisters situation before i ask any questions.
My sister has been engaged for about a year. Due to her studying the engagement had to be moved onto this year, however she wont be getting married untill next year now.
Her fiance is in the Britsh Army, he will be going to Afghanistan in April for about 6 months. After that they will get married.
My question is that being a Muslim is it right for him to be on the kaafir’s side and that to fighting against your own kind..‘Muslims’.
Just wanted abit more knowledge on the topic of him fighting against Muslims etc
ask the man leave british Army because fighting against muslims for kafirs is treason after shirk the greates sin to betray muslims the sin is unimaginable high
hypocrisy ..I mean ..ok The British Army is getting the terrorists and bad guys .. yeh but what about all those innocent that have been killed .. women and children .. the Hadith tells us that .. even the enviroment shudnt be harmed when there is a war .. look what they done to the country .. its alot worser than it was before .. and now they cant even conroll it ..
and siding with the kaafir is no different from actually having their opinion and mission .. two sides to the same coin ..and Islam forbids this.
I would just like to explain my sisters situation before i ask any questions.
My sister has been engaged for about a year. Due to her studying the engagement had to be moved onto this year, however she wont be getting married untill next year now.
Her fiance is in the Britsh Army, he will be going to Afghanistan in April for about 6 months. After that they will get married.
My question is that being a Muslim is it right for him to be on the kaafir's side and that to fighting against your own kind..'Muslims'.
Just wanted abit more knowledge on the topic of him fighting against Muslims etc
Thanks, In advance :)
walaikum salam
as far as i know a muslim should not fight or kill another muslim (well any human being-but muslim in this case) so he should not join brtiish army.
i'll say ask your mom and dad to speak to him and explain him your islamic views and see what he says...DO ask him for his opinions dont just say "you have to leave british army" "this engagement cannot happen" i mean he is old enough to have some view on this topic. tell him the islamic view and see what he says.
He's stuck in the army, he cannot pull out for another four years as the contract he signed is for 5 years...one year has passed already.
He blackmails my sister into saying that if she leaves him then he would join frontline. She also feels sorry for him as all his family are back home and he has no one here to support him
When i speak to my sister suggesting her to leave him she thinks nothing of it and carries on. This is ruining things for my family and i dont know if im doing wrong my not supporting my sister?!
Is he not able to buy himself out of the army?
Only other option and it's not a very ethical thing to do but it is the lesser of the 2 evils, he can sabotage himself by been caught taking drugs while on the base (I don't mean some hardcore class A stuff, maybe a marijuana cigerette) they will throw him out for sure. It will be dishonourable discharge and I think he will forfeit any army pension and benefits but at least he will be free.
Edit- I just want to clarify that I am not advocating drug use, or trying to make haraam halal, but if I was in this situation I would rather take the punishment of smoking 1 marujuana cigerette then take the punishment of killing innocent people in an unjust war.
Also what I find really strange, why the hell would any muslim sign up to the brittish army post 9/11? I can understand pre 9/11 at least the army were trying/pretending to help out the muslims in Chechniya but now they are just 100% bullies.
what about our own army eh? what about all those soldiers who fought and killed bangalis in 71? would you say no one should've married them because they killed other muslims? what about those who fought on one side or the other when Hazrat Ali (ra) became khalifa or the centuries afterwards? is there no sense left in muslims?
are we saying that a muslim who was born and raised in a country shouldn't enslist in its army to defend it? i know what you're thinking "yeah but he is not defending his country." but once you enlist in the army they tell you what you do and what you don't. you can't decide you'll do this but won't do that. and before we get all sentimental about afghans getting killed, let's remember that it was us pakistanis supporting one faction of them against another while both of them were killing each other.
so yeah tell your sister to marry him if he is suitable. afterall she must've known he was in the army before the whole rishta buisness started.
p.s. one more thing. if you were born and raised in the west, then they are your own kind. they'll give you more respect as a human being than muslims ever would.
First of all to the due that started this post - don’t discuss your sister’s personal situation on a personal forum, that’s disrespectful to her.
But as you have posted this there are a couple of things i want to clear up.
first of all, no one in the British army can just "go to the front line" as it doesn’t work that way, if you are in territorial or regular army there are procedures you have to go through and ranks in order to get to that level.
As for signing a contract - there is no contract in the army. You go on "tour" for a limited amount of time (maximum 1 year) then have a 2 month break and then decide whether you wish to go back or not.
As for all the people that say he’s fighting with the kaafirs etc etc - I’m sorry to say this but I’m about to burst your bubble.
In Islam it states that in the event of war, you must fight for your country. If he is British, born in Britain, raised in Britain etc Britain is his mother land. Therefore it would be highly hypocritical of him to go to Pakistan and fight against the British (which i may add is not going to happen because Britain and Pakistan are not at war).
As for killing the "Muslim brothers", it’s not the British army that kills them it’s the American army, and even then the people they kill are the ones who put Muslims in this situation the first place.
why on earth do people in Afghanistan who are medically treated by the red cross and army medical teams thank them and by their own admission say that they are glad that they have received decent medical treatments etc.
Sorry for offending anyone but i think that some people should look more into the facts rather than make assumptions.
And as for the sister in question, if it’s that much of an issue, don’t marry him and marry someone in the Pakistan army. End of
It's haraam for a Muslim to fight for any cause that is not Islamic or in defence of Muslims. The British are clearly in wrong as they are occupying an Islamic country.
and what about pakistan and kashmir? india and pakistan are fightingover kashmir and kashmir wants to stay independant, arent pakistan invading over kashmir?
Maybe because the Indian army still occupy the other half? Their is a huge difference between POK and IOK. I am from POK and I can assure you the people are not oppressed like their brethren on the other side of the line. Pakistan has on many occasions called for a plebiscite on the issue so the people can decide their fate unlike India who has refused.
end of the day forget pakistan and india, make kashmir an independant nation without interferances from pakistan and india.
think we are veering off the topic but bottom line is just like pakistan army is involved in lands which they have no control, so are other armies. in any war, you will have people that are killed. i dont condone it but im trying to explain the fact that on this topic, regarding the guy fighitn for his country, does not make him an evil person. if thats the case, then the same could be said about a pakistani soldier who kills an innocent kashmiri or an indian. and ANYONE who kills an innocent person regardlessof their race, gender, religion etc is a KAAFIR themself. fact!
An independent Kashmir can not survive. It would be ludicrous. Pakistani Army don't kill innocent Kashmiris. Actually more then anything the Kashmiris support them in POK. You're not a scholar to declare someone a kafir. So, don't bother going there!
ill go wherver i please so you best calm down lad! first of all i never said that i am a scholar and i am not declaring someone a Kafir, either you dont know how to read or you misinterpreted by statement. if you are willing to make comments on a public forum regarding Kaafirs etc then it makes sense to base your comments on fact. i did based on the hadees and not by my own admission. what i said is true. any muslim that kills an innocent person is declared as a kaafir and that is stated by the biggest scholar of them all - Hazrat Muhammad PBUH.
as for kashmir not being able to survive on its own, THAT statement is ludicrous. how can you say that when it has not been tried and tested or them given an opportunity to reside in an independant environment. its pure dictatorship whereas both countries India AND pakistan promote democracy.
couple of forums to get your brain thinking
as for an independant report, Guardian, times, chronicle all have proclaimed taht after extent research Kashmiris state that they wish to have their own government and not be a part of pakistan or India. but seeing as though that is not going to happen, they favour pakistan by DEFAULT!
this is exactly why its nigh on impossible to have an intelectual debate with someone on forums like these because they resort to personal atacks, but i gove as good as i get so bring it on.
