well we are just discussing, and we all are entitled to our opinions. expressing your opinion in civil way that with proper reasoning doesn't make you "non accommodating to local languages" or does it? specially when repeated people say that promoting local language is good thing, we should do it, but having ID card in local language is not the end of the world
agree. everyone is entitled to his opinion and therefore I don't come up with comments like 'this is irrelevant', etc.
good to know that. elite class is all same everywhere. Elite Sindhi class like Bhuttos also don't know the local language, so I would pay deaf ear to them if come up with any theory about language. The question is not about adapting another language, the question is owning your own language. Why is to so in Punjab to term people speaking Punjabi as Paindoo, whereas there is no such scene with other languages?
Wrong...
Yeah, Laborites do chit-chat with villagers who visit Lahore, it is just for the fun not for degrading or humiliating them. And how it could even be possible where most of laborites speak Punjabi themselves?
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I know what you mean, that we should learn a lesson from history, had heard same thing from MQM so many times.
And you know the guy who didnt accept the democratic mandate of Bengalis?
Yeah, Laborites do chit-chat with villagers who visit Lahore, it is just for the fun not for degrading or humiliating them. And how it could even be possible where most of laborites speak Punjabi themselves?
I know what you mean, that we should learn a lesson from history, had heard same thing from MQM so many times.
And you know the guy who didnt accept the democratic mandate of Bengalis?
Now come on, this is not a Bhutto / MQM bashing thread.
I m not bashing them. When you gives warnning like bengadesh separtion, it seems me i am talking with some MQM or anti punjab guy...
It was a warning? how? It was just a statement what was the reaction of Bengalis when they were subjected to imposition of Urdu. It by no way meant, such circumstances exist or will exist in Sindh.
Thanks for this respect. I'm sorry if any of my statement hurt you or any other person who really own their language.
just a question, what is the litmus test to judge that someone really owns their language or not?
if its having ID card in that language, then which one? local or regional?
if by having ID card in local language we own it, does this make us disown national language?
put it other way, having ID card in National Language makes not own our local language?
see the built in complexity of this argument? my point is having ID card in either local or regional language is no big deal, both are fine as far as "owning" a language or lack of it, however for logical reasons drawback of having ID card in a language which is not understood by majority outweighs its benefits.
however, those who do not tend to travel ever, or don't expect anyone ever to need to know them by their ID card, its equal for them to have this document in Urdu, sindhi, baloch, farsi, arabi or even african for that matter.
You just laughed out the other day when some urdu speaker was making fun pf Punjabi :D Werent you :D
oh that dopleganger post. dil pe le li aap ne. you missed I liked that post. per mere bhai, he didn't insult or spread hate against Punjabi in that post. It was in response to terming every Karachiite MQM supporter and he replied it in lighter tone. If you found that offensive, please report that the Moderator.
agree. everyone is entitled to his opinion and therefore I don't come up with comments like 'this is irrelevant', etc.
that example WAS as irrelevant as your comment to the other poster of ignoring history : ) and by the way, think yourself again, by promoting to have ID card in national language no one discourages them to promote their regional language in lots of other possible ways, its not mutually exclusive really. i feel like its becoming a matter of ego
just a question, what is the litmus test to judge that someone really owns their language or not?
if its having ID card in that language, then which one? local or regional?
if by having ID card in local language we own it, does this make us disown national language?
put it other way, having ID card in National Language makes not own our local language?
see the built in complexity of this argument? my point is having ID card in either local or regional language is no big deal, both are fine as far as "owning" a language or lack of it, however for logical reasons drawback of having ID card in a language which is not understood by majority outweighs its benefits.
however, those who do not tend to travel ever, or don't expect anyone ever to need to know them by their ID card, its equal for them to have this document in Urdu, sindhi, baloch, farsi, arabi or even african for that matter.
owning language means knowing it, speaking it, using it without any hesitation. no more complication and need of litmus paper test.
I don't find people having CNIC in Sindhi traveling in Pakistan faced any problem. My own cousins work in Islamabad having id card in Sindhi. No big issue for them. I don't have any issue if someone opt to have id card in Sindhi / Urdu or anyother language.
that example WAS as irrelevant as your comment to the other poster of ignoring history : ) and by the way, think yourself again, by promoting to have ID card in national language no one discourages them to promote their regional language in lots of other possible ways, its not mutually exclusive really. i feel like its becoming a matter of ego
Its not matter of ego at all. I said it and again saying if a language got transcript and have issues like proper pronunciation, its upto choice of people who speak that language to have their id card in their language or national language
alright boss, carry on... i'm happy with it. if you'll only be happy with proper "written" pronunciation on your ID card, no issue.
needless to say, and repeating it over again just for the sake of clarity, those who know a language, and they are speaking in that language (which is owning their language right?) will pronounce it properly no matter if its written in urdu or sindhi, but on the other hand, by having it not in urdu, disqualifies a wast majority from understand it at all let aside pronouncing write or wrong.
if it HAS TO BE in regional language, then having it in dual language both national and regional should satisfy both i guess
National Identification Card is printed in Regional language instead of Natiaonl language, a bit illogical. Why it is even called a NIC if it not printed in National language?
alright boss, carry on... i'm happy with it. if you'll only be happy with proper "written" pronunciation on your ID card, no issue.
needless to say, and repeating it over again just for the sake of clarity, those who know a language, and they are speaking in that language (which is owning their language right?) will pronounce it properly no matter if its written in urdu or sindhi, but on the other hand, by having it not in urdu, disqualifies a wast majority from understand it at all let aside pronouncing write or wrong.
if it HAS TO BE in regional language, then having it in dual language both national and regional should satisfy both i guess
precisely, we Punjabi have got no special comercial script for punjabi. we use urdu script to write punjabi and can easily read every thaith punjabi sound between the lines.
No space for national language, wow. I bet you feel it is cultural invasion and one day you will accept it wholeheartedly when it come from secular sources…
No space for national language, wow. I bet you feel it is cultural invasion and one day you will accept it wholeheartedly when it come from secular sources... :D
first of all, bet is haram :D
secondly, how come question of cultural invasion arises in this discussion? If you want to discuss this cultural invasion aspect, you are welcome to open a thread in culture forum anytime. I by no way consider Sindhi culture as invaded. Its all intact with all its pillars.
khul ke bolen chote bhai.
Werent you 
we should also change name of Pakistan (land of pures) by this logic (j/k)