Since i always miss these threads...

…when they are still in a ‘repliable’ forum, I’ll open a new thread here.

Discussions about banning ppl have been present ever since people got banned…since the recent increase in the number of ppl banned and re-banned such threads have become talk of the day.

As I see it, you can specify a few problems that arise in these threads:

  1. why ban at all?
  2. if you do ban, what criteria will you use? in other words: where do you draw the line?
  3. Should the criteria be imposed objectively (if at all that is possible), or should you just go with the judgment of the arbiter, in this case Admin?

Let me address the various topics one at a time.

1: Why ban at all? I don’t think that there are self-respecting forums that do not have the ban option at their disposal. So here too, ppl get banned and re-admitted. I think that’s quite fair and everyone will agree that a total ban on bans won’t do any good to anyone. So now the second question rises:

  1. which criteria to use. I remember the time when there were no specifically mentioned criteria, and ppl used to whine about this ambiguity whenever someone got banned. The only solution to this would be to make a cut-off somewhere and make that the guideline(s) of the forum. That has been done, and i think no member (especially the multi-delinquent) can claim that s/he is not aware of these.
    Of course, like in any cut-off system, there will be good ones that are treated badly, and bad ones that are treated well. That’s just a gamble you have to take, and you can only calibrate this to an optimum without ever capturing 100% of the bad ones, and leaving 100% of the good ones in. So in a way, people who complain are implicitly saying to disgard the cut-off and go back to the situation when there weren’t strict guidelines and points, and people were banned on basis of the Admin’s gut-feeling.

Now, since we do have a cut-off system, a points system was added to calibrate this system even better. Of course it still has its problems, but as i said, all systems (apart from my ranking system :D) have their problems. One advantage is that once someone accumulates some points, s/he will know that they should be carefull and not try to look up the boundary of the tolerable, or outright provoke the mods.

Now question 3 comes into play…becuz often this is the last resort in such threads: Should these criteria apply to all or are mods/friends of the mods/me excluded from this?

My answer would be the latter. I mean, GS is run basically by a group of ppl, or at least they are in charge here. I don’t see why there should be a democratic system here? I mean, it’s their site: if they don’t want someone here, who are we to complain? (if you’re playing yahoo pool and someone comes to ur table, you just boot that person as well…noone is gonna complain that s/he had the same rights as the person you’re playing with)

So this whole discussion on democracy and same-treatment-for-all is actually a non-discussion. I mean, I find it already remarkable that the mods at least TRY to be objective. For the same matter they could have just thrown out ppl at will…who’s stopping them?

That was perhaps the longest variation of "I agree with Admin" that we have ever seen. Its kinda wasted here, don't you think? Lets move it to General, so you can get your fair share of anday tamatarr.

^well, if u'd be so kind enough, u may move it there :D
(i'd thought that it would be moved here, so i saved u the bother :D)

Faisal:
How many violation points get knocked off one's scorecard for "brown-nosing?"

myvoice.... surely such a fine effort shouldn't go unappreciated. Don't you agree?

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myvoice.... surely such a fine effort shouldn't go unappreciated. Don't you agree?
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I quite agree with you. I'm a little puzzled as to why you didn't put the sticky label "IMPORTANT" on this thread and keep it at the very top of the topic list.

^ Now that is a great suggestion. Sure you don't want 3 or 4 points knocked off for making it?

:eek:

** I’VE GOT POINTS??? MOI??? **

Surely it won't hurt to start with -3. It may come in handy one day. You never know ;-)

Rules are rules now NesCio. Let's do it according to the book, GS user of no particular discrimination.

hey X, i though an Admin is higher in the hierarchy than a mod:

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Lets move it to General, so you can get your fair share of anday tamatarr.
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Re: Since i always miss these threads...

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For the same matter they could have just thrown out ppl at will....who's stopping them?
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Whats stopping them is the fact that without its users - gs doesnt exist.:o

Re: Re: Since i always miss these threads...

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Whats stopping them is the fact that without its users - gs doesnt exist.:o
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Admins and moderators are also gupshup users :)

tobah hai.. baat ko ghaseetna to koi app logo say seekhay.

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Whats stopping them is the fact that without its users - gs doesnt exist.:o
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this is just relatively speaking. Suppose 75% of the GS population would stop ad hoc. It will take only about 6-9 months before GS will be back to where it was, and most probably the users who left would have even left the memories of those remained here

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this is just relatively speaking. Suppose 75% of the GS population would stop ad hoc. It will take only about 6-9 months before GS will be back to where it was, and most probably the users who left would have even left the memories of those remained here
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Maybe it's just me- but I didn't understand what you just said.

As for mods doing what they want- sure they can.But just like they probably have standards that they live up to in their actual lives-they do the same on gs.It's only a forum, however there are actual people who come here.The mods cant just go off and ban as many members as they like- maybe because the point of the forum was to have users come and get involved.

suroor---if that comment was pointed at me-may I say that this is the feedback forum- and pls do try to stick to the topics that are being discussed.

^ MQ: it wasnt pointed at anyone.. it was just a general comment :-/

What exactly is being discussed here now? No one is planning to ban en masse, so give it a rest already. :-)