How many of you regularly perform namaz ? How regularly ? hmmmmm…
Don’t waste time, or it’ll waste you @
i don't, bcouse by juz readin namaz it does'nt make u a beta person, u got too be 100% muslim, ppl who read namaz then go liein, cheatin, backbitin, fraudes etc r in other word juz takin the mickey outta islam, i know 1000 would disagree but that thets the way i feel, all i can say is dill saaf hona cahiyeh
i wonder how many ppl r gonna answer ur question without liein
What are you trying to say.? Are you saying that you pray five times a day and others don't. Isn't this bragging or pubeizing..which is haram in Islam. If you pray five times thats for your own good why are you asking what other people do. What others do is non of your business.
If you pray good for you, if some doesnt pray then they will be responsible for it. Why are you so interested in knowing.
Stop posting stupid questions.....
-naeem
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u got that first part 110 % correcto (BOLEY BALI LARKI), I know abt a hafiz, with a iman equal to zero, cheating, lying, swearing and everthing.. allah maaf kare..
ok i dont read namaz either, I want to start once and never ever miss a single namaz. 110 % dedication! Not start doing namaz know and then not doing it for 2 weeks and then again..argg..
But back to the original question. Just want to se some facts and figures. And lie about that?? well iam not exactly giving some prize to panch-waqat-ka-namazi-tahajjud-guzar. Be honest ppl!!
Don't waste time, or it'll waste you @;-)
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I often see people saying :"reading namaz"
"praying namaz" or "offering namaz", or "saying namaz".
None of these looks good grammatically.
What would be the correct way to say it?
I miss some prayers sometimes due to some problems and difficulties but most of the time do try to make all of them.
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----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
It is actually considered haram to ask another muslim if they pray regularly. The muslim is trustworthy, regular prayer is one of the things that we muslims assume about each other.
Prayer is something private it's between you and Allah (swt). However if somebody openly rejects prayer that person is considered an apostate. So if somebody doesn't pray 3 days in a row then that person is an apostate.
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Originally posted by BOLEY BALE LARKI:
**i don't, bcouse by juz readin namaz it does'nt make u a beta person, u got too be 100% muslim, ppl who read namaz then go liein, cheatin, backbitin, fraudes etc r in other word juz takin the mickey outta islam, i know 1000 would disagree but that thets the way i feel, all i can say is dill saaf hona cahiyeh
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boley bale larki, you don't need to be 100% muslim to pray 5 times. Just try to understand that people who make all these bad things will be accounted for their sins so you can't make it an excuse not to pray.
Important thing is never tell people about your sins (like i don't pray) coz they would become witness on the day of judgement and u will get the punishment else Allah (swt) could spare u for some other good thing u did.
i wonder how many ppl r gonna answer ur question without liein**
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Straight forward question and here is a straight forward answer.
I choose not to answer the question simply because my relationship with my Creator is something sacred and solely between me and Him. However, Islam is not only about "dil saaf hona chahiyay." Missing a prayer is considered kufr. Namaz can not be missed even on death bed. Plus praying to Allah SWT and reciting Quran on a daily basis keeps one's iman strong and saves him/her from a lot of evils. People who choose to lie, cheat, backbite etc..eventhough they make salat can not be considered "symbolic" to the Ummah. We all will have to answer for our own deeds. Not for the deeds of others. Nor does that kind of behavior gives anybody else an excuse not to turn to Allah.
Obeying and submissing to Allah SWT is the only guarantee of living peacefully and happily ever after. Wise is the one who is aware of his/her indebtedness to Allah SWT.
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Originally posted by BOLEY BALE LARKI:
*i don't, bcouse by juz readin namaz it does'nt make u a beta person, u got too be 100% muslim, ppl who read namaz then go liein, cheatin, backbitin, fraudes etc *
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ur right about that but Islam doesnt expect anyone to be perfect...just because one's not a "perfect" Muslim is no reason for them to not say namaaz. Allah (swt) knows that everyone lies at one time or another, but that doesnt mean they shouldnt say namaaz.
So ur saying that u dont say namaaz because its not the only thing that makes u a better person, esp. if u lie and cheat etc... but come on, ur never going to be perfect just like me or everyone else...do u think thats a good reason to not pray?
personally, i'd love to make an effort to pray all 5 times a day....cuz i know that if i do, it will definately affect my behaviour as a Muslim.....
Al-Imran-3:160 **~~"If Allah helps you, none can overcome you: If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? in Allah, then, Let believers put their trust."~~ **
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First of all, it should be "Offer Namaz" (followed by saying (Allah qabool karay).
Second, it was interesting to see how few people actually answered or attempted to answer the question. Nevermind.
It was even more interesting to read that "I don't pray bcz I don't do 100% what other things Islam has ordered". Give me a break.. Namaz is fard.
Furthermore, whether other namazis are actually offering namaz with khushu-&-khuzzu or are just banging their head on the floor is not for us to decide. Their imaan is with them and ours is with us. Just concentrate on your ow imaan.
Last point is that it is perfectly appropriate to inspire other muslims to fard namaaz and to encourage them, by offering your own example. However, the bragging is prohibited in cases of Nawafil. For fard namaz, publicity is not prohibited. Primarily bcz it is fard, there is no excuse.
B4 I end this post, let me remind you and myself, that according to some very learned scholars of Islam, a person who leaves namaaz without any appropriate reason, is deemed to have strayed from the path of Islam. They have called him/her kaafir. What will happen to these bay-namazis on the day of judgement is between them and Allah. We should all strive to do our best effort to please Allah and to be successful in the hereafter.
Asking someone such a question just as a polling tool is unethical...because as mentioned so many times, it is a personal issue between a person and Allah SWT.
But going back to Bolebali larkis point
i don't, bcouse by juz readin namaz it does'nt make u a beta person, u got too be 100% muslim<<
Isnt reading namaz a part of being 100% muslim? By saying this, you are essentially saying that you want to fulfill every other islamic requirement which will take ur iman to 99.9%, and only then will u turn to namaz to make it 100%, since now you are a complete muslim.
Well, namaz is a part and parcel of Islam...and fard namaz is the first thing we will be questioned about on the day of judgement.
Comparing namaz to any other obligation in Islam, (roza, zakat, hajj), namaz is the only one for which there is no substitute.
**Rozas can be skipped if you are sick or are travelling, and can be made up at a later date....and if you skip a roza without reason, you can give the kuffara by feeding 60 poor people.
**zakat is not obligatory if your total wealth is under the value of nisaab.
**Hajj is not obligatory unless you have enough money, and have no debts or family responsibilities to speak of.
However, namaz is obligatory whether you are sick, travelling, on your death bed, or in any shape.......as long as you are in your senses....and it is due on the prescribed time..not later on...not earlier than that. At times we are quick to ignore the true timings of namaz, only to read a shortened qaza namaz later on.
A little known fact about namaz is that the punishment for not reading a namaz, and the punishment for reading qaza namaz are exactly the same. The only difference is that a person who reads qaza namaz will still be counted as a muslim, whereas one who skips it completely is in complete defiance of Allahs command.
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*The only difference is that a person who reads qaza namaz will still be counted as a muslim, whereas one who skips it completely is in complete defiance of Allahs command. *
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SubhanAllah, I remember listening to a lecture once, given by Imam Siraj, where he said the same thing..'n wry smile i typed up a bit..okay well alot of what he said in a post a while ago, but here's the relevant bits..
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There are muslims who lie! Its true isn’t it? There are muslims who backbite, there are muslims who steal! Who even...disobey their parents. What do u think? I’m speaking the truth am I not? So tell me then if a believer---a muslim engages in the same activities as a nonbeliever, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? Is there any?
*silence
Gosh, you guys, if u’ve ever heard Imam Siraj speak, you know what an awesome speaker he is, and so u’ll know what I mean when I say I feel like i'm mutilating his speech.....wry smile
Yes. The difference is that if a muslim does something wrong he will feel bad. He’ll know he did something wrong and he will have a heaviness in his heart, he’ll have regrets. You guyz just think-----its true, isn’t it? Everyone has faults, I have them you have them, uh huh I sure do just try following me around for a day or two. Imam------(Imam of one of masjids), my dear friend, siraj wahaj hmm and hawing has maybe one fault. Brother-------(someone everyone in our city knows), now he definitely has faults audience laughs So having faults, we are all bound to make ‘mistakes’ at one point or another in our lives. Some of those mistakes will be innocent, and some will be intentional.
The difference between a believer who steals and a nonbeliever who steals is simple. The believer will regret his actions, the believer will ask for forgiveness from Allah swt, the believer will want to make amends, the believer will want to absolve himself of the crime........and the punishment. Do you know that a person who serves the punishment (for a wrong, a crime) in this world, is absolved from answering it on the Day of Judgement? ....*
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...there was more but it was in a different stream. And i guess that is alot:)..but just wanted to share it cause went with what EA was saying.
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Originally posted by analyze it:
I often see people saying :"reading namaz"
"praying namaz" or "offering namaz", or "saying namaz".
None of these looks good grammatically.
What would be the correct way to say it?
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Salam All!
From my understanding of the deen, the best way to refer to prayer is 'Salat' Ok the best and most sincere advice i can give to all you bro's and sis if to establish yr salat. I think this is a hadith, and i will relate it to you from memory, so pls 4give if this is wrong: imagine a stream of water, now if that stream doesn't flow all types of filth will gather in it, but if it does flow, then it will be refreshed, Similary the heart of the beliver, if he/she makes salat then Insha-Allah the sins of the believer will be 4given, but if your heart is like the water that is stagnent, then yr sins will accumulate. Also fear Allah - for in yr grave u will be asked about salat, hence the hadith 'pray you salat at the appointed times, before your funeral prayers have been said over you'
So thypical guppies. As I said before and as pristine also mentioned, it is surprising to see how ppl dont answer my question and start preaching about benefits of namaaz and being 100% muslims and this and that, and preaching about me asking stupid unethical questions. And that namaz is something sacred between the creator and the person. Look, I know abt namaz being a personal matter and namaz being a fard and everything.I consider myself as having satisfactory level of knowledge on this. This thread was NOT initiated to address those matters. I was only curious in facts and figures. My personal curiousity. I didn't ask the question to judge anyone. (and how can I???). Just a simple facts and figures question, with no strings attached. Is it really that difficult to give a straight answer, and not to make such a big deal out of it ?? The only person to actually have answered the question and JUST the question is The Watcher.
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To the people that don't pray because they don't do everything 100%
If your niyat is clean about praying then why not just try to make the prayers that you can? It's very easy to say "i'm not a good muslim so i'm not going to pray"
Performing prayer is said to be the difference between a muslim and a non-muslim. So please do not say that you can only pray only if you do everything else 100%. Allah has made us imperfect so we may strive and do our best for his din.
Don't be like these people that start praying when they get old because they have not much else to do.
we should read namaz thats y ppl read namaz, but y do we do things that we should'nt do,
tell me this some1 who reads namaz, will he/she be 4given for all the bad things they been doin all day
i have got to say the only 100% muslim i've seen is those who convert from other religions, they 1st learn wats right and wrong,
but i don't think u guys understand wat i'm tryin to say so i might as well shut up
boley baley
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if someone truly understands the meaning of SALAAT…he or she will refrain from sins throughout the day, because they wouldn’t want to feel guilty when standing before the Creator, Allah.
Only Allah has the right to judge. Why should we, imperfect humans, decide if we should or should not pray. It is about our niyat at the end of the day, so don't decide whether it is right for you to pray or not, just do it.. Allah may be pleased with you and forgive your sins..
As far as namaz is conserned it is fard, compulsary with no ifs and buts. The point with namaz is that it (eventually Inshallah) will make the person a better human being with the help of Allah himself.
If you pray regularly you will each time you stand on musalla feel that you do bad things and that they are not in harmony with your religion.
What is namaz actually?? Some sajdas, hitting your head to the floor and thats it ? Allah doesnt need that. He has an infinite number of farishtas doing so all the time. Namaaz is to remind you that you are a muslim and that you are fulfilling what islam tells you to do. It kind of makes you aware of yourself being muslim, or so it should. And eventually Allah will lead you on the right path Himself, as long as you do the salat with iman (and thats the problem isnt it??).
And what is meant by “with iman”?? Pray is if you are standing in front of God Himself, and pray as if this is your last prayer i.e. dont rush trough it. I reckon you are referring to such persons BOLEY, ppl who rush trough something resembling namaz.
Back to the question, how many of you do actually perform salat regularly??
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Feel free to answer. If you dont want to answer, then dont. An innocent question this is