"Silencing Political Dissent:

How Post-September 11 Anti-Terrorism Measures Threaten Our Civil Liberties"
Anyone read this book by Nancy Chang?

She’s an attorney in US and highlights, among many things, how Patriot Act 1 was passed with little debate or sticking to normal procedures for passing legislation.
“The so-called Patriot Act is the opposite of patriotism, if patriotism means love of your country and not the government, the love of principles of democracy and not the edicts of authority (= Sadam Hussein?). …”
“The press for its part, has shown itself far too willing to comply with the White House requests that it limit its news coverage.” And if you did not fall in line - Dan Guthrie (Grants Press Daily Courier - Oregon) and Tom Gutting (Texas City Sun) were fired for criticising Bush’s disappearing act on 11 Sept.

Patriot Act 2 looks even more scary. Here is an excerpt from an editorial

**Among its provisions, Patriot Act II would allow for the classification of individual US citizens as " foreign powers, " opening them up to greater surveillance without requiring court orders. The word " terrorist " would legally encompass anyone who, regardless of his or her knowledge or intent, provides (undefined) " material support " to someone else defined as a terrorist (who may not even know that he or she has been so defined) for associating with a group defined as a terrorist organization, whether or not the group itself knows of its designation. The " terrorist " group need not have committed crimes; it need only be " likely to, " with no parameters establishing that likelihood.
**The war at home

Creeps me out.

Gives me nightmares.

Glad their are groups fighting against this.

Some of the literature I have read reminds me of rumors of the old Soviet Union.

These guys in Washington will probobly get re-elected also. Hope not, But if they do...they will be gone in another 4 years. After they have quadrupaled the deficit and voted in the supreme court justices they can.

And created the new free trade agreement..which will probobly just lose jobs for the everyday American worker.

Oh well as long as we can pay 40 bucks for a pair of Nike's made elsewhere....... or some nice designer clothing made by a person earning 50 cents an hour.

Shame.

Yea I read the book, :)
I wonder how far America will go with his and how far the can go.
There s a limmit to everything and I think the american government is going to bang his head against a rock soon,

Ill leave this linke for research purpose.

Here is the 120 page document Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 better known as Patriot Act II.

Patriot Act II (.pdf document)](http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/patriot2-hi.pdf)

Since we are on the subject of Patriot Act. Take a look at Patriot Act being applied.

**Patriot Raid **

By Jason Halperin, AlterNet
April 29, 2003

A month ago I experienced a very small taste of what hundreds of South Asian immigrants and U.S. citizens of South Asian descent have gone through since 9/11, and what thousands of others have come to fear. I was held, against my will and without warrant or cause, under the USA PATRIOT Act. While I understand the need for some measure of security and precaution in times such as these, the manner in which this detention and interrogation took place raises serious questions about police tactics and the safeguarding of civil liberties in times of war.

That night, March 20th, my roommate Asher and I were on our way to see the Broadway show “Rent.” We had an hour to spare before curtain time so we stopped into an Indian restaurant just off of Times Square in the heart of midtown. I have omitted the name of the restaurant so as not to subject the owners to any further harassment or humiliation.

We helped ourselves to the buffet and then sat down to begin eating our dinner. I was just about to tell Asher how I’d eaten there before and how delicious the vegetable curry was, but I never got a chance. All of a sudden, there was a terrible commotion and five NYPD in bulletproof vests stormed down the stairs. They had their guns drawn and were pointing them indiscriminately at the restaurant staff and at us.

“Go to the back, go to the back of the restaurant,” they yelled.

I hesitated, lost in my own panic.

“Did you not hear me, go to the back and sit down,” they demanded.

I complied and looked around at the other patrons. There were eight men including the waiter, all of South Asian descent and ranging in age from late-teens to senior citizen. One of the policemen pointed his gun point-blank in the face of the waiter and shouted: “Is there anyone else in the restaurant?” The waiter, terrified, gestured to the kitchen.

The police placed their fingers on the triggers of their guns and kicked open the kitchen doors. Shouts emanated from the kitchen and a few seconds later five Hispanic men were made to crawl out on their hands and knees, guns pointed at them.

After patting us all down, the five officers seated us at two tables. As they continued to kick open doors to closets and bathrooms with their fingers glued to their triggers, no less than ten officers in suits emerged from the stairwell. Most of them sat in the back of the restaurant typing on their laptop computers. Two of them walked over to our table and identified themselves as officers of the INS and Homeland Security Department.

I explained that we were just eating dinner and asked why we were being held. We were told by the INS agent that we would be released once they had confirmation that we had no outstanding warrants and our immigration status was OK’d.

In pre-9/11 America, the legality of this would have been questionable. After all, the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution states: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated; and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.”

“You have no right to hold us,” Asher insisted.

“Yes, we have every right,” responded one of the agents. “You are being held under the Patriot Act following suspicion under an internal Homeland Security investigation.”

The USA PATRIOT Act was passed into law on October 26, 2001 in order to facilitate the post 9/11 crackdown on terrorism (the name is actually an acronym: “Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act.”) Like most Americans, I did not recognize the extent to which this bill foregoes our civil liberties. Among the unprecedented rights it grants to the federal government are the right to wiretap without warrant, and the right to detain without warrant. As I quickly discovered, the right to an attorney has been seemingly fudged as well.

When I asked to speak to a lawyer, the INS official informed me that I do have the right to a lawyer but I would have to be brought down to the station and await security clearance before being granted one. When I asked how long that would take, he replied with a coy smile: “Maybe a day, maybe a week, maybe a month.”

We insisted that we had every right to leave and were going to do so. One of the policemen walked over with his hand on his gun and taunted: “Go ahead and leave, just go ahead.”

We remained seated. Our IDs were taken, and brought to the officers with laptops. I was questioned over the fact that my license was out of state, and asked if I had “something to hide.” The police continued to hassle the kitchen workers, demanding licenses and dates of birth. One of the kitchen workers was shaking hysterically and kept providing the day’s date – March 20, 2003, over and over.

As I continued to press for legal counsel, a female officer who had been busy typing on her laptop in the front of the restaurant, walked over and put her finger in my face. “We are at war, we are at war and this is for your safety,” she exclaimed. As she walked away from the table, she continued to repeat it to herself? “We are at war, we are at war. How can they not understand this.”

I most certainly understand that we are at war. I also understand that the freedoms afforded to all of us in the Constitution were meant specifically for times like these. Our freedoms were carved out during times of strife by people who were facing brutal injustices, and were intended specifically so that this nation would behave differently in such times. If our freedoms crumble exactly when they are needed most, then they were really never freedoms at all.

After an hour and a half the INS agent walked back over and handed Asher and me our licenses. A policeman took us by the arm and escorted us out of the building. Before stepping out to the street, the INS agent apologized. He explained, in a low voice, that they did not think the two of us were in the restaurant. Several of the other patrons, though of South Asian descent, were in fact U.S. citizens. There were four taxi drivers, two students, one newspaper salesman – unwitting customers, just like Asher and me. I doubt, though, they received any apologies from the INS or the Department of Homeland Security.

Nor have the over 600 people of South Asian descent currently being held without charge by the Federal government. Apparently, this type of treatment is acceptable. One of the taxi drivers, a U.S. citizen, spoke to me during the interrogation. “Please stop talking to them,” he urged. “I have been through this before. Please do whatever they say. Please for our sake.”

Three days later I phoned the restaurant to discover what happened. The owner was nervous and embarrassed and obviously did not want to talk about it. But I managed to ascertain that the whole thing had been one giant mistake. A mistake. Loaded guns pointed in faces, people made to crawl on their hands and knees, police officers clearly exacerbating a tense situation by kicking in doors, taunting, keeping their fingers on the trigger even after the situation was under control. A mistake. And, according to the ACLU a perfectly legal one, thanks to the Patriot Act.

The Patriot Act is just the first phase of the erosion of the Fourth Amendment. From the Justice Department has emerged a draft of the Domestic Securities Enhancement Act, also known as Patriot II. Among other things, this act would allow the Justice Department to detain anyone, anytime, secretly and indefinitely. It would also make it a crime to reveal the identity or even existence of such a detainee.

Every American citizen, whether they support the current war or not, should be alarmed by the speed and facility with which these changes to our fundamental rights are taking place. And all of those who thought that these laws would never affect them, who thought that the Patriot Act only applied to the guilty, should heed this story as a wake-up call. Please learn from my experience. We are all vulnerable so speak out and organize, our Fourth Amendment rights depend upon it.

In Some cases being denied…

Island lawmakers have made Hawaii the first state to take a stand against the controversial USA Patriot Act, passing a resolution “reaffirming the state of Hawaii’s commitment to civil liberties and the Bill of Rights.” Citing the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, the Hawai`i state legislature is now sending Senate Concurrent Resolution 18 to Hawaii’s representatives in Washington.

So far, 92 cities and counties have passed resolutions condemning the Patriot Act, according to the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, but Hawaii’s is the first at the state level. The Democrat-controlled House and Senate voted 35-12 and 21-3, respectively.

http://www.hawaiinews.com/archives/politics/000133.shtml

what a crappy place to live....its worsening day by day...I feel sorry for these people who have to go through this regularly.

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what a crappy place to live....its worsening day by day...I feel sorry for these people who have to go through this regularly.
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Thanks for your pity. Please lobby your government to send foreign aid our way too.

I don't think we need their money myvoice.. if only the US can spend it's money on it's own people first... rather than be manipulated into giveaways to failed states.

Like Texas?

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I don't think we need their money myvoice.. if only the US can spend it's money on it's own people first... rather than be manipulated into giveaways to failed states.
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I do have a hard time understanding why we are sending billions of dollars to fight AIDS in Africa and zero to fight AIDS in San Francisco.

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I do have a hard time understanding why we are sending billions of dollars to fight AIDS in Africa and zero to fight AIDS in San Francisco.
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and Israel

true.. and why we continue to send billions to a nation that wouldn't learn to peacefuly co-exist with it's neighbors..

imagine what $10 billion could do.. we wouldn't have to slash veteran's benefits... or be able to bail out our airline industry or a couple of states at least.

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and Israel
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I didn't know we were sending money to fight AIDS in Israel.

MV,

No man you got it all wrong your sending Isreal money and aid to fight. You were close though.

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MV,

No man you got it all wrong your sending Isreal money and aid to fight. You were close though.
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Thanks for the clarification, my friend. I thought I was gonna have to write a letter to my congressman to protest sending AIDS money to Israel.

As to the Patriot Act, I don't think a lot of you really understand the way our system truly functions and how it evolves over time. Congress passes a lot of laws that are unconstitutional (either on their face or in their application). In times of crisis, the number of laws passed and/or the number of actions taken by law enforcement which are later deemed unconstitutional rises. Ultimately (and usually after the crisis is over), the Supreme Court issues an opinion striking down the constitutionality of the laws. In our country, the Courts are our last bastion of liberty and the ultimate arbiter of our freedoms.

In a lot of countries, the response to crisis is the formal suspension of constitutional liberties and the formal declaration of martial law. Our way has survived for over 200 years with only one Civil War. I think it's better.

And we do get better in how we deal with crisis. If this were the 1940's, everyone of Arab or Middle Eastern descent would probably have already been rounded up and put in internment camps.

In times of normalcy, we pretty much live by a motto that it's better that 10 guilty men go free than for 1 innocent man to go to jail. In times like these, where those 10 terrorists could cause such horrendous damage and loss of life, we as a people seem more willing to submit innocents to the temporary deprivation of rights and liberties in the interests of security. It's not something I think we are particularly proud of. It's not a shining example of what our country stands for. But it is a practical response to a very real danger and it will be tolerated....for a while.

No problem…two bottles of oil coming your way…just hope the NYPD dont ambush it in the name of patriot Act. :halo:

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Our govt. are puppets of US so sorry that wouldn't work. Saddam and OBL would be interested to send some "aid" but you know it may not be monetary. I hope they fail.

What if the 10 billion dollars was just sent to the people?

Divided fairly..... lol. <~~~~~ closet socialist.

But... you know? Thats alot of money.

What would you do with it? Be neat if it was sent to the people rather than the gove...

Check your census readings on how many people live there.....

10 Billion Dollars / 287 million Americans is alot of cash.

10 Billion Dollars / 787 million Indians.....even still more than a penny a piece.

If it was my money? I would use it to improve my community..without a bunch of expensive blah..bla.