Silence of conservatives: Why no one is protesting an attack on Malala Yousafzai?

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You based that on what evidence? She was arrested in Afghanistan plotting to attack the targets in the US. During the arrest she tried to kill a NATO solider. She is hardly innocent & fact that she is in jail is one less terrorist to worry about, IMHO.

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You based that on what evidence?

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Yes, that is what she was convicted for in court of law.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/February10/siddiquiaafiaverdictpr.pdf

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It is a bunch of statements of charges against her, govt and pakistani people accept it? There are many arguments against what you infer. For the sake of argument if Raymond Davis can enjoy killing people in Pakistan and get free flight to US without prosecution in Pakistani courts, why don’t they hand over her to Pakistan?
In addition, you again proved, you mention what suits you. Read your post #41, you mention NATO solider, and if you read the PDF file behind the link, you will see that there is not a single word ‘NATO’ but ‘US’.
**Search following link for “A Brief Timeline of Affia’s Case” heading **
Abduction, Torture, Raping Of Aafia Siddiqui

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[quote=“ajazali, post:31, topic:269953”]

There are many arguments against what you infer. For the sake of argument if Raymond Davis can enjoy killing people in Pakistan and get free flight to US without prosecution in Pakistani courts, why don’t they hand over her to Pakistan?
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ریمنڈ ڈیوس**:**

ريمنڈ ڈيوس کے معاملے میں، ريمنڈ ڈيوس کو بین الاقوامی معاہدوں کے تحت سفارتی استثنی حاصل تھی، مطلب یہ کہ دوسرے ملک کے سفارت کاروں کے خلاف میزبان ملک کے قوانین کے تحت مقدمہ نہیں چلايا جا سکتا ہے اور نہ ہی قانونی چارہ جوئی کی جا سکتی ہے۔
لیکن براہ مہربانی مجھے آپکی ياداشت کو جگانے ديں، اس کيس کا فيصلہ پاکستانی قانون کے عين مطابق اور پاکستانی خودمختاری سے متعلق احترام کو ملحوظ خاطر رکھتے ہوۓ کيا گيا تھا۔
امریکی ڈيپارٹمنٹ آف جسٹس نے لاہور ميں پيش آنے والے واقعے کے حوالے سے تفتيش جاری رکھی ہوئی ہے۔
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عافیہ صدیقی:**

ان کا مقدمہ امریکہ میں کھلی کچہری میں چلایا گیا تھا۔ ڈاکٹر عافيہ کو قانونی معاونت فراہم کی گئ تھی اور ان کے پاس اس بات کا پورا اختیار تھا کہ وہ اس کيس کے کسی بھی پہلو کو چيلنج کرنے کے علاوہ اپنے کیس کی وضاحت پيش کريں۔ ان کے وکيلوں کے پاس گواہوں کو پيش کرنے اور ان کے خلاف پيش کيۓ جانے والے گواہوں کو چيلنج کرنے کا آپشن بھی موجود تھا۔ ڈاکٹر عافيہ کے پاس واشنگٹن ميں پاکستانی سفارت خانے سے کونسلر کی سطح پر معاونت کے حصول کا آپشن بھی موجود تھا جسے انھوں نے استعمال بھی کيا۔ ان کے مقدمے کی کاروائی ايک عوامی عدالت ميں عالمی ميڈيا کی موجودگی ميں ہوئی۔ اس مقدمے سے متعلق تمام افراد کو قانونی موقع ميسر تھا کہ وہ جيوری کے سامنے اپنا نقطہ نظر پيش کريں اور سزا ملنے کے بعد ان کے وکلاء کو اپیل دائر کرنے کا پورا حق تھا جس کو انہوں نے استعمال بھی کیا-

ڈاکٹر عافيہ صديقی کے خلاف پيش کی جانے والی چارج شيٹ اور سزا ایک بار پھر آپ ان ويب لنکس پر پڑھ سکتے ہيں۔
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2008/August/siddiqui-aafia-complaint.pdf

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/September10/siddiquiaafiasentencingpr.pdf

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Re: Silence of conservatives: Why no one is protesting an attack on Malala Yousafzai?

^ as far as I know the Americans were lying that Raymond Davis was a diplomatic staff member, he was an American spy and you guys got your man by pressure.

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حقیقت يہ ہے کہ ان الزامات میں بالکل کوئی صداقت نہيں، دلچسپ بات يہ ہے کہ خود ان کی قانونی ٹيم نے يہ واضح کيا ہے کہ ان پر گرفتاری کے دوران کسی بھی قسم کا تشدد نہيں کيا گيا۔ ڈاکٹر صدیقی باقی قيديوں کی طرح امریکی آئين کے تحت پوری طبی دیکھ بھال اور توجہ کی مستحق ہيں۔

سازشی نظريات کو تسليم کرنے والے وہ دوست جو اس کيس کو بنياد بنا کر امريکی معاشرے اور يہاں کے نظام کو ہدف تنقيد بناتے ہيں، انھيں ياد رکھنا چاہیۓ کہ خود ڈاکٹر صدیقی بھی اسی معاشرے اور نظام کا حصہ رہی ہيں اور انھوں نے اپنی مرضی سے اسی نظام کے اصولوں کے تحت قريب ایک دہائی زندگی گزاری ہے۔ ان کے ايک بھائی اب بھی اپنے اہل خانہ سمیت اسی معاشرے اور نظام میں رہائش پذیر ہيں۔

ڈاکٹر صدیقی کو اپنے وکيلوں اور پاکستانی کونسلرز تک اس وقت بھی رسائی حاصل ہے اور ايک قيدی کی حيثيت سے انھيں مخصوص قانونی حقوق بھی حاصل ہيں۔ انھيں اور ان کے وکلاء کو اس بات کا اختيار ہے کہ وہ کسی بھی زيادتی کے حوالے سے مناسب تاديبی کاروائی کريں اور اگر وہ يہ سمجھتے ہيں کہ کسی بھی طرح سے ان کے حقوق پامال کيۓ گۓ ہيں تو متعلقہ حکام کو اس بارے ميں آگاہ کرسکتے ہيں۔
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[quote=“Afshankdc, post:27, topic:269862”]

This is the biggest ever C.R.A.P I have ever seen with my sinful eyes in my life. Once a liar always a liar!

Stop writing in urdu fonts by the way. They are too small. All of the visitors of this board can understand english.

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Re: Silence of conservatives: Why no one is protesting an attack on Malala Yousafzai?

Just because you say that “The reality is different” does not make you truthful.

Once a liar always a liar.

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  1. The US is part of NATO. Therefore, saying NATO soldiers was appropriate.
  2. Raymond Davis was released by courts in Pakistan under blood money…which perfectly legal under Pakistani and Islamic law.

So, what is your point?

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And this is too related , Warning for media
?BBC Urdu? - ??? - ?’??? ?? ??? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?? ???‘ ?

http://wscdn.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/assets/images/2011/09/21/110921075123_taleban_bajour_304x171_ap_nocredit.jpg](‭BBC Urdu‬ - ‮پاکستان‬ - ‮’طالبان کا ذرائع ابلاغ کو نشانہ بنانے کا فیصلہ‘ ‬)

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While I dont have much sympathy for terrorists but this statement that she tried to kill American soldiers while she was in their custody and they casually left a loaded rifle with the catch off near her in order that she could attack them, yeah right.

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In American court, Americans accused her of this incident though she denied saying that she did not.

Regardless of the incident being true or false, one thing from her own statements (or statements of her lawyers on her behalf) in American courts defending herself on ground that she did not tried to kill the soldiers as she was physically weak and hence incapable of doing so, and not claiming anything else ... like she was already prisoner of Americans who arrested her not in Afghanistan but Pakistan, etc ... shows that she did got arrested in Afghanistan where she went to help Taliban against Americans.

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With regards to the bold part above, it is true that religious parties have strong links with Taliban. But what is even more worrisome is that the so-called secular parties are also not far off from Talibanic mindset. Especially PML and PTI.

Some interesting reads about how these Taliban apologists “apologize” for Taliban’s crimes.

h**p://dawn.com/2012/10/13/malala-wont-be-airbrushed-out/
Qazi Hussain Ahmed:
Jamaat-i-Islami’s former amir Qazi Hussain Ahmad made an appearance. He seemed to condemn the attack on the teenaged Swat student and in the same breath also condemned those who, in his words, “used Malala”. He didn’t elaborate. Neither was he asked to.

**Imran Khan:
**Referring to the attempt on Malala’s life, he talked about the scourge of extremism which he mostly blamed on the US-led war on terror. When the presenter pressed him to name the attackers, Imran Khan reluctantly said the Taliban.
When asked to condemn the Taliban, he was open in saying his party had a presence in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Fata and that he didn’t want to give statements condemning the Taliban and leave “my party workers undefended” at their mercy.
This statement at least clarified that he has shied away from unequivocally slamming the Taliban for the sake of his party workers’ safety and not on ideological grounds.

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The US is part of NATO, may be true formally. How it goes actually in Afghanistan is, NATO operates under the lead of US forces.
It is your trend i see, you are more like a lawyer of american than american themselves than the critics of Muslims.

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I agree that he did not, does not 'openly' condemn TTP for attacking civilians, it could be thought of 'cowardice' trying to protect his party-workers even though the blame should squarely lie on government for failure to provide security to its citizenry. I don't like that part of PTI but then I don't live in FATA areas to know the ground reality.

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Did we get a full press-briefing from her 'independently' about the situation? Very likely she said in defense of the accusation, next you will object 'why she didn't tell that she divorced her husband....' too? And even if she did say that she was taken to Afghanistan after being kidnapped/arrested from Pakistan people are not going to believe that part of the story.

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Not defending IK’s taliban stance but if this true then there is a difference between him and Qazi (ideological supporter).

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Supporter supporter hota hay
ideological supporter ho ya puppet supporter

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Large part it may be true. But, the increasing religiousness of Pakistanis is obscuring their vision, some thing as heinous as this has to happen to jolt them from their madness. This opium has been fed to them over few decades now.

This has now become the fuel that keeps fires burning in Pakistan. That is why they tolerated Taliban in first place, when the power to be used them as a tool in their strategy. Under Zia - who is a religious extremist in his views - government adopted extreme ideology, made efforts to spread it and he used it as a strategic tool as well in war against USSR.

Later leaders did not do anything to dismantle this as they found this to be a convenient tool or they did not have the courage to go through. The lion share of the blame goes to Musharaff, who post 9/11 on one hand sided with US and another allowed Taliban to grow to the extent it took over Swat. It is impossible to believe a chunk of a country not far from national Capital is allowed to be taken over, lock, stock and barrel by terrorist. Even India has remote parts with terrorist problems, but I don't think the government has ever ceded total control of vast area to such groups. They reign in forests not in cities and towns.