Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
Actually no. The tax system changes from country to country. It has changed year from year. Region from region. You are not solely taxed on your income in some countries. You pay a 70% tax in the Northren European nations irrespective or your income bracket - if i am correct.
In Islam muslims have various taxes which do not apply for non-muslims. You do not pay zakat as a non-muslim. Jizya is to replace that. A tax specifically created for non-muslims with the benefits that they they can practice in freedom their religion and customs.
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
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You are not solely taxed on your income in some countries. You pay a 70% tax in the Northren European nations irrespective or your income bracket - if i am correct.
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this is absurd. I have travelled in Europe and I am yet to know a country which charges 70% of your income as TAX EVEN IF YOU ARE POOR.
What if a poor citizen of Europe or USA is not able to pay tax?? Will he be driven out of his home, leave his motherland ??
On contrary I know governments which provide myriads of benefits in the form of housing and job assistance once you are their citizen!!
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
Under the modern Nation state system which is what 50 years old? Yup. As long as they are not involved in:
Criminal activity
Treason
Succession
Terrorism
There is a long list where it does not apply.
Edit as the original post was editted:
Err...where did you get the notion that Zakat is voluntary?
Regarding protection and freedom or religion. Historically until 1947 the state did not have to protect your right to practice religion freely.
Now on to Jizya. The tax is similiar to modern day taxes as I can read. However a distinction is made. A different tax system for muslims and for non-muslims.
Put it this way. You need to pay your taxes. No ifs and buts. However back in the day the tax was linked with an understanding that they would be free to do practice their faith without any hassle.
Something that was not inshrined into law until the end of the second world war.
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
chuckle I enjoy GS so much. No moral fortitude. You see the tax is not a freedom tax. Jizya is a tax. Pure and simple. However the muslim leadership nearly what 600 years ago decided to place conditionalities on itself that it would protect the religious freedom and practices of its miniority population.
The tax would be paid even if the religious freedoms were not protected. However it was the purpose of the leadership and I am assuming Islamic jurisprudence that their way of life should be maintained and be given considerable freedoms because they pay the tax.
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
Mr Bhoomi! now look at ur UTurn. first you said that taliban are taking jazia from poor sikhs and is unhuman and now ur taking uturn by saying this unhuman fact of hinduism as not relatred to topic?
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
Define poor. Poor economically is very different in the US and Pakistan. Or between India and China.
I am talking about poor with respect to the living standard/ per capita income/purchasing power parity of that country where the person is residing/is citizen!!
In this case, even by Pakistan's Swat valley/Tribal standards 50 million rupees is too much to ask from a local impoverished group of 15 families!
Do you agree with this without indulging in further semantics??
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It's you who started this comparison First, by bringing some unsubstantiated example of Europe and telling that look, even they charge Tax!
No one in his right mind will ever compare Talibs with a functioning government! They put even Maoists to shame!
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
Duh. What am I talking about? Figures is what I am asking for.
No. What I stated was that tax is collected by the government by the Taliban. Look your hatred for muslims and Islam is so blinding you don't even realise I am supporting your comments.
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
chuckle I enjoy GS so much. No moral fortitude. You see the tax is not a freedom tax. Jizya is a tax. Pure and simple. However the muslim leadership nearly what 600 years ago decided to place conditionalities on itself that it would protect the religious freedom and practices of its miniority population.
The tax would be paid even if the religious freedoms were not protected. However it was the purpose of the leadership and I am assuming Islamic jurisprudence that their way of life should be maintained and be given considerable freedoms because they pay the tax.
I dont understand why you are deliberately going on a tangent.
you have clearly stated that the jizya tax is dependent on a few conditions. The main condition is that by paying jizya tax non Muslims WILL NOT PAY ZAKAT.
now, if the jizya tax is exactly the same as the zakat tax (2.5%) then we can happily end this debate and both conclude there is nothing wrong with such a tax. however, if the jizya tax is greater than the zakat tax which its suposed to replace, then there is a fundamental issue of discrimination here.
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
Duh. What am I talking about? Figures is what I am asking for.
No. What I stated was that tax is collected by the government by the Taliban. Look your hatred for muslims and Islam is so blinding you don't even realise I am supporting your comments.
OK.
But how did you conclude that I hate Muslims??. Can you prove this?
If not then you have to edit your statement.
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
The conditionalities are on the side of the Taliban to fulfill. They can not collect the tax till they do what was listed.
Where do you come up with the idea that the main condition or paying jizya is because non-muslims will not pay zakat. Muslims do not just pay Zakat. There have been other taxes in the past.
According to wikipedia - Jizya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - there was no fixed number. While Zakat is applicable to muslims. Jizya is only applicable to men of military age or of considerable wealth.
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
Bhoomi sab! u have propagated against taliban here and their unhuman activiz ok? so what do ya say about the unhuman activiz and terrorism of indian army in kashmir and the unhuman activitiz of RSS in india against muslims and christians. ehh?
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
if ur focusing on terrorism then include all elements in it. ok? instead of only propagating against Islam look at ur own religion and extremist groups also. look at RSS and terrorist Veshwa Hindu Pareshad and look at Babri Masjid and Gujrat incidents. ok?
Re: Sikh families leave Orakzai after Taliban demand Jizia
Bhoomi sab! u have propagated against taliban here and their unhuman activiz ok? so what do ya say about the unhuman activiz and terrorism of indian army in kashmir and the unhuman activitiz of RSS in india against muslims and christians. ehh?
If you need to talk about India, Kashmir militancy, you can open a seperate thread.
In this topic, you got to look at bigger picture. This is not just about Native Sikh family.
Do you know that Hazara areas are not far away??
What if tomorrow Taliban declares Shia community in Hazaras as Kaafirs?? Will you still be bringing India-phobia??
Shia's under Taliban law will be as unsafe as any other Hindu, Shikh or Christian. Period!