Signs of Weakness

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as i said, we never had a political leader competent enough to lead the country, once we develop with such kind of leadership army will be sidelined, bare in mind, country was divided under their very nose

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The Ruling PML(Q) have suggested MUSH to ceasefire and negotiate with CJ and Media. They added more that, after budgets sessions dissolve the Assemblies and New elections should be announced.

I dont know Mush is going to listen to these suggestions, in case he don’t, there goes most members of PML(Q) against Mush as well

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I thought his lotas have to wait & re-elect him b4 assemblies are dissoved. If he dissolves assemblies b4 his own election who is going to give him the cover of legitimacy to stay in power?

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yes i am a talib ilm means student of One of Pakistan Renowned university

but i don't know reality about Taliban of Afghanistan to whom you might be referring,
all my knowledge about them , was made by CNN etc to whom i fail to trust when they fail to find the MASS BOMBS in IRAQ
they were continously blamming IRAQ for that before attack but after attack everyone comes to know that there were not reporting true

so after that i had also doubt what they have said about afghanistan
might be they are also wrong there as well
but i am not sure

but the picture which have been potrated infront of us , is not true islam, ask any aalim they will agree with me or you
but can we trust thoes presenters

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and this might not happen easily
because even before political leader will think to become competent
they will be thrown out by some other military dictator

history repeats itself again and again

next 10 years almost will be the years of curruption by political leaders and then again an other military rule and so on

only hope is the Imran Khan, he might broke this cycle but only this is hope, Allah knows better will he behave like other political leaders in power or become some good leader

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Majority of Pakistanis supported Mush when he took over, majority supported him in his economic reforms, majority supported him when he moved against the terrorists Al Qaeda.

But majority oppose him for his handling of the CJP affair and majority oppose him for being so acomodative to the extremist Lal masjid and taliban.

Musharraf shows signs of weakness in handling the religious fanatics, we need a strong leader who can crush these extremist elements. Ameen.

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What kind of islam has been promoted in Pakistan? It is because of the constituent parties of MMA like fazloo and jamaat that islam has become so maligned and distorted that people want to run away from it.

If your religious leaders [hadith and quran experts??] are like this, then forget anyone else. We are seriously experiencing the “Dark Ages” of Muslims.

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Yup and history is ample proof of the statement.

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How? by starting a civil war. When you have political parties supporting and strenghtening the same Mullahs, what can army and President do? Jamia Hafsa was formed in '92. It is not Musharraf's fault that they are still there in Islamabad. Opposition need to draw a clear line in where they support the President (economic reforms, fight against Al-Qaeda and extreminism) and disapprove him if they want in other issues. They would rather come on street, call names and act all immature trouble makers.

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That is one of teh major problems facing Musharraf, how he will be 're-elected'.

No matter what option he tries, it will be by rigging, which will raise the ire of the Pakistani people even more

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MWP,

I agree with your argument regarding the political support but have to disagree regarding Pak military not being responsible. Musharraf needed MMA support and ratification therefore the tacit approval to their policies in NWFP & Fata.

Mush had no qualms in bombing Baloch (Bugti) yet has serious reservations when dealing with these fundos, thats the root cause of the problem, State has to be fair when exercizing the maximum punishment ie state sponsored violence.

Other forums like GupShup?
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I am not giving you black or white situation. I think the reason he is held back is because of the opposition, Bugti was right to go and these people also, but the growing immature decent by the opposition is keeping the situation paralyzed. Army and the Government have their hand coffed. Problem is opposition is not showing any anger towards what is going in NWFP. I do not disagree with their stance, only furious about their hypocracy. You want to bring people to justice or court, do it with every single one of them.

In America, no matter how weak the media is in holding their leaders accountable, Congress slow in stopping an illegal war. Atleast their opposition can distinguish between right or wrong. Atleast they know when to step side beside their leader, no matter how wrong they think him to be. This is a mature opposition. They know to oppose people who irrational, which are promoting violence against their own government and denouncing conspiricies. Problem is dealt maturely, in media or on the floor, rather on streets that ends up creating law and order situation.

Do you think, if these same people were in United States, it would have been handelled different? The same country has done even worse when it comes to media freedom and dissent.

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I don't know what kind of equal opportunity state sponsored terrorism in the form of bombing, strafing and assassinating you want mush to excercise in FATA...but short of lining up all the MPs of MMA from NWFP and elsewhere, and bombing all MMA of offices all over Pakistan, I guess you won't be satified...

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Totally with you except for the Bugti killing, that cud and sud have been avoided. Maybe the Govt had good reason for their action, but have not demonstrated the same vigour when confronted by their protege, the taleeban. Violence is something that shud be abhorred and used as a last resort, unfortunately the Fundos have practiced it with great passion and Mush Govt has held back for their strategic yet flawed logic.

Opposition in Pakistan means party or individual waiting in line for Govt, there is very little political activity that represents the people thus the apathy towards citizens of Pakistan and the country. Thus the need to exploit every situation for political leverage rather than show the maturity and vision required from seasoned politicians. Worse of the lot are the political opportunists who have made their career by pointing fingers, throwing mud at others, inciting sectarian and ethnic hatred.

Just look what is happening in Fata and Nwfp over the last few years, we have suicide bombers killing innocent citizens, fauji jawans, schools bombed, children kidnapped, opponents murdered, beheadings, Govt installations attacked, law of the state challenged and yet the state is willing to sign peace treaties with these mass terrorists.

Is the state afraid or do they not wish to cut off their own body part? I fear it is the latter, Establishment (Frankenstein) created these monstors and now does not have the heart or the will to terminate operation strategic depth.

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Military just like other major political parites are not based on one person. It may seem like it, but reality is much different. Major parites (PPP, PML (N) and MQM) have major inner differences when it comes to current affairs. Same is with the military. Considering army role in politics, all of them are seasoned politicians, otherwise they would not have survived so much prosecution on one another. I agree with you that they show no sympathy for average person on the street of Karachi, Lahore or Peshawar, which is why the disconnect.

I see people talking about right way of handling situation of Bugti and similar people like him. What about people who died under them? If we read news clips in Peshawar, there have been suicide bomb on shia mosque, resturants and threats to Christians. Just latest is women killed because of adultery. I have no respect for these people.

Moreover, army and major political parties do not collectively and consistently condem these incidents, which is why they are present.