Signs of Green Card Fraud

Lifestyle Relationships
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That a man in Pakistan is trying to marry you to get a Green Card (or whatever the equivalent is in Canada/UK/Dubai,etc)?

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I think you just have to be smart and look at his family, upbringing and general attitude towards you. I would say someone who is overly pleasing you or bending over backward too much....would probably be kind of suspicious. Or if their family is too pushy towards them leaving the country.

If someone is honest, normal and open about their plans to you...you should trust them, inshAllah nothing would be wrong.

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When the guy says he will cook, clean, and look after your needs while you work and he awaits getting his status sorted so he becomes a legal resident and then can get a job. :clown:

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^ even a sincere person would have to do that...? That's just the legal process no?

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One thing that I would find a bit suspicious is if the gentleman is practically willing to take the next flight shortly after meeting you. I would find this rather disconcerting because even in the best of scenarios where couples quite like each other and their parents get on well from the beginning, there is still a bit of hesitation and caution as marriage is a significant life decision that must be well considered. If the someone takes it rather lightly and is willing to move at the drop of a hat, I think he/she may have ulterior motives (or is extremely immature, which is you would also want to avoid).

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I was bon here and I do all this and more, I didn’t get a green card but I got a girl that worships me…much better trade isn’t it?

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You have to be a pakistani born desi to get that reference.

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How do you personally define Green card fraud?

Is it only when the guy leaves his wife after landing and settling down abroad or are there some grey situations in between?

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In this day and age, unfortunately picking up all the fraud signs are not clear in all cases because people can fool you in so many ways. However, you should have a gut feeling and an instinct if you feel that the other person is holding back in certain areas where they should be really committed to you. A lot of guys will say ill cook, clean, ill mop floors at a store and get any odd job even if I have to and even if that is much lower than anything ive done in Pakistan and it will make you think wow this guy has no arrogance or ego and is willing to do anything to settle himself down. Thats all a load of crap and basically it means I'm going to sit around and have you work until I get my green card and I peace out.

The other few ways is if the guy is unwilling after marriage to make major decisions with you and conveniently wants to wait a few years (aka the two years of a conditional green card period and filing for the permanent status). Those decisions could include buying property together, having kids, or anything that has to do with benefitting you or giving you some kind of security. In that time he may on focus on settling himself down and convincing you that he needs this time to do so and so to settle HIMself down so that he may provide for you in the future and none of it seems to be about or involving you.

Again, these signs are nothing clear but mostly people do get a gut feeling that something just isn't right unless you're completely spellbound by the guy and smitten and just plain stupid and want to ignore them. And yes I agree, if the marriage is being pushed for unusually quickly by the guy's family or they want a nikkah and then ruksati baad mein ho jaye gi....RED FLAG

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There are no definite signs. Every situation is different & of the situations I know/heard of…there are always differences. A lot of it really is your gut instinct and listening to that inner voice when it tells you that something in wrong with the rishta.

Otherwise, if the family/guy is pushing for a quick nikah and/or they seem a bit too interested/concerned with the GC application process….it should be considered a red flag. If the guy's family is talking about the application process just as much as the wedding itself OR the guy talking about the application process more than he talks about starting a life in the U.S……..then I would question their long-term motives.

The guy's current job status/family lifestyle can also be an indication as to whether or how he's desperate to immigrate. In ALL the cases I personally know/heard of where marriage fraud took place……the guy did not have a well-paying/stable career back in his country.

This could also be the opposite. If the guy/his family has done their research, they would know that USCIS looks for evidence to determine whether a marriage is genuine. Buying big things jointly like house, cars etc…..are indications of a genuine marriage. And of course, popping out a kid within those 2 years shows USCIS that there is clearly a sexual relationship b/t the two (ie. the marriage isn't a business agreement).

Having a kid or making major joint purchases actually helps the immigrant more than the U.S. citizen b/c in the event of a divorce/accusations of fraud, he would use the kid/major purchases to say "well you really think I would've done all that if I was planning on leaving her from day 1??!!!" There have been cases where men have left the marriage even AFTER kids entered the picture (a close friend of mine is actually the product of such a marriage). If a guy is truly a jerk and plans on leaving the woman after he gets permanent GC, a kid/joint property isn't going to stop him.

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dont fool yourself, whoever is gonna marry you is doing it for A GC. Question is will they stay with you after they get it. Honestly, best thing is to do or have a religious person do Istahara.

  1. I dont know if this will work but look at the family, are these people honest looking? do they take things like marriage/ kids serously?

  2. is his family giving you Bhurri? I would think, if they are not serious, they will not give u much. Like if the future MIL gives you some family heiloom, then I would think its good.

  3. If you are in NYC, I know of an Indian astrologer, he is pretty knowledgeable. He was about 75% right, when I went to him. Just rememeber, best is Istahara, and if you do it, 40 days you wont have your prayers answered..

  4. honestly, besides Istahara, no way to know for sure, because, its easy to show ur self as someone else.

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What is istahara?

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I am astrologer myself. I had crush on so many stars. Anyways long story short for 1000 bucks I can tell you whatever you wanna know and for 2000 whatever you don't wanna know.

FYI ... Price is fixed. Please don't contact just to hit on me.

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Salam
I have received two proposals of girls who are GC holder.I have currently not decided if I will pursue.
But if I were to decide it will be based on few minutes conversation with girl and istakhara.
Now if that girl thinks like PCG she might say ... Oh this guy got agreed so early clearly he must have wrong motives...
Anyways may Allah help and guide us all.

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You mean to say that if u go to the astrologer ur prayers won't be accepted for 40 days. If u do istikharah (prayer to Allah for help in making an important decision) then He will answer inshAllah.

Btw ppl are so crazy about the green card that they invest all this time just to try to get out of the marriage after they get it! If they want it that bad I'd think they'd just try to make the marriage work but noooo u have to have the crazy ppl out there who have a different perspective to it.