Re: Shouldn't Musharaf be hanged.....
Wherever Musharraf has gone.... to India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan or USA....his audience was always Pakistan. And in his book also his audience were people of Pakistan. He knows who he can easily make fool of.
Now! Now! You are being jealous? His book has been on the best seller's list in many parts of the world.
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Although I disagree with your assessment about Musharraf selling Pakistan too cheaply. USA was a wounded animal, and India was right next door offering its bases to attack Afghanistan and was already trying to make a case that what is happening in Kashmir is Al Qaeda and Osama's cohorts.
So, if Pakistan played a delayed game, and tried to bargain for more, India would have jumped in. Remember, this is a time when tensions between India and Pakistan were very high.
So I agree with Musharraf's decision to immediately join the foray and then slowly bargain with USA.
Another point I disagree with you with is the economic benefit that Pakistan is enjoying also has something to do with the vetting of corrupt figures from the Pakistani Economy.
During the immediate aftermath of 9/11, you are right, Pak and Mush had to take what they were given. It is the months and years after that people say Pakistan should have got more. After all, Pakistan is by far the no.1 'ally' in the war on 'terror'.
As for Mush vetting corrupt figures, the facts show Mush did the exact opposite by choosing the most corrupt politcians as his allies, people like Chaudry Shujaat, Sheikh Rashid, etc.
The fact that he chose all these corrupt people as his partners when he could have chose anybody, is telling.
This is part of the reason why in Pakistan itself, his and his govts reputation for corruption is now as bad any of its predecessors.
We were fooled before, even I had hope when he first took over, but after 8 years, people now know what he is like, and we are bitterly disappointed.
Re: Shouldn't Musharaf be hanged.....
I can assuer you of this facts...those who are against haning of Musharaf, fall into the the following category...
1: drink alacohol
2: go clubbing
3: fornicate
4: liars
5: have muslim names but that's all
I will challaenge anyone of thsoe who deny what I have said above ......
Re: Shouldn't Musharaf be hanged.....
I am no fan of Musharraf, but you need to-
(1)stop preaching
(2) show some respect
(3) stop thinking u are superior
(4) get off your high horse
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Alcohol, half of Pakistan drinks alcohol and other half can't afford it...
I go clubbing every week, so what? But where exactly does Mr. Musharraf go clubbing?
Fornicate. The man has needs
Liars. Yes, but every one lies....
Yes he has a muslim name. His ancestors come from Saudi Arabia.
Re: Shouldn't Musharaf be hanged.....
Maliksahab, interesting civilized debate in colourful language you've got going here.
All else aside, what's most fun is how naturally whisky drinking and fornication follow soon after various other political or non-political cliched (and often baseless) allegations. How credible the allegations are is no worry, because the accused will not defend himself. Have you personally seen him indulged in these acts? Heck what will I do to convince myself if you say you have? And besides do whiskey and fornication, ususally an individual's personal matters, have anything to do with you and I or Pakistan and its problems...?
If anyone ever deserves to be hanged from Minar-e-Pakistan, it certainly wouldn't be Musharraf. Minar-e-Pakistan would bend with the rope the day a soldier of Pakistan who has fought for Pakistan, won decorations and has taken battle wounds during action is hanged from any of its pillars while many real fornicators, drunkards, and so-called spiritual leaders sending countless naive souls to misguided jihad or suicide bombings roam free on Pakistani, Arabian and British soil.
If Musharraf the soldier of Pakistan is worse enough to be hanged, shouldn't the others that have been or wait in line must be hanged, drawn and quartered? Because all else aside, atleast at individual sincerity level Pervez Musharraf is certainly much better.
Re: Shouldn’t Musharaf be hanged…
Oh my God! You seem to know too much! 
And with this statement, we know too much about you too! 
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Well said TRD :k:
Hmm…welcome back anjjan. So you havent read his book yet, but look around millions of non-Pakistanis over the world have. So apparently he has fooled much more than you imagined, including Indians because it was India before anywhere else where a local language translation was published-even before an Urdu version in Pakistan and India was the first country to be reported back in Oct where copies of the book were short within first week! For proof, ‘Google and ye may find…’ 
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haris wrote...'And besides do whiskey and fornication, ususally an individual's personal matters, have anything to do with you and I or Pakistan and its problems...?
Well do you know the meaning of PAKISTAN!!
Do you know for whom Pakistam was created for and for whom millions gave their lives, long before you were born...
Do you know the on what does a president has to take an oath on...yes friends it Quran....not a bible or a book of lies.
And you have the odescity to tell us that the president of PAKISTAN ias above all this...he can drink alcohol, for your information alcohol is provided in all camps of Pakistani armed forces and hence Musharaf is used to it.
Just grow up and seek democracy and leaders of teh calibre of Jinah for our country and not corrupt, fornicating baboons....who are willing to sell of every thing for few dollars......an Amerciacn lawyer had said openly in a court that Pakistanis will sell their mothers for few dollars.....so this is the image you people have created for yourselves aborad....wake up.
Yes I forfgot to include in my list those....who are brainwashed and are also those who are supporters of MQM party.... they believe releigon has nothing to do with their lives and they can just dor whatever they like....the nation is dooemd is doomed one whos Jawans think like these pakistnis...and those who have leaders like Musharaf.....have you forgotten the previous American dog....general Zia....and the same fate will come to Musharaf.....
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In spite of many many disagreements I have with Gen.Musharaf I like him a lot as a person of courage and a hero amongst a nation of lesser people. I will not want him to have any nasty ending and will hope that he will find a soft landing. he and his family deserve nothing less and I hope some of you who spout nothing else but venom at his name will please sit back and think about what you are saying.
I do think he is almost a 'lap dog' as was portrayed in some press last year to W. But what choice he had? It was either that or have pakistan bombed. What would have been your choice?
I do think he has had a foot in the mouth disease on several occasions. i think that comes from having to constantly having to reconcile his very high personal quality bar to the very low bar that the rest of the country, army brass and politicos not to mention the mullahs represent.
I can understand the agony he will have to go thru internally every day. He does not have to subject himself to that - he can simply take whatever he wants in a plane and land in many countries and be never heard of again. But he is sticking on for the good of you ingrates. Pls take that into account.
Yes I will continue to severely criticise his actions and policies that don't guide Pakistan to a better form of govt but as a person he deserves kudos not this sort of rubbish comparison to saddam husein.
I hope the author of this thread will be able to open his/her mind and see reality
Well said
Re: Shouldn't Musharaf be hanged.....
I have nothing against him illegally occupying that seat as long as he is producing results for Pakistan such as a strong economy, liberal policies, and policies which benefit the country and he has done that.
This man who is illegally occupying the Presidency has done more for Pakistan than any legally elected person to that seat.
That is the problem with us Pakistanis and Muslims in general, we will let anyone occupy the ruling seat as long as he keeps us 'happy'. I can bet that had ganja or bibi been in power we would have seen very similar results as we are seeing today by siding with coalition forces. As far as 'liberal' policies are concerned these policies have not born any 'economical' fruits so I don't know what is sooooo "good" about it except for it causing more polarisation in the society.
Had a civilian govenment bombed area like FATA/Waziristan military would have overturned the government next day and hanged the ruler nude on 3rd day.
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You seem like that Afghani who keeps getting kicked off the forum. Found a new name eh!
Re: Shouldn’t Musharaf be hanged…
I thought you can do better.
Re: Shouldn't Musharaf be hanged.....
Maliksahab nay farmaya
*Just grow up and seek democracy and leaders of teh calibre of Jinah for our country *
but then you will call Jinnah names for his drinking as well.
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oh yes indeed, didnt we do exactly that after the crackdown in Karachi where many innocent people were killed, injured etc as well. oh yeah the ruler was hanged the third day after that action. its the ghost that is in exile now.
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1: drink alacohol) Yep since I was 16..
2: go clubbing) Love to do that to fundos and democrats alike.
3: fornicate) Yep I have been doing that since I don’t remember.
4: liars) Every one lies, the one who denies is the biggest.
5: have muslim names but that’s all) Name don’t mean anything.
I’ve done lot worse things so I fail your test, So whats your point? I’d like to kick Mushys ass too but for compeletly different reasons. Overall I agree with Musharrafs policies.
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Unlike the bombing in Waziristan, the police/ranger action was welcomed, if not desperately sought by the local population to protect them for the marauding MQM terrorists.
This action inevitably led to some innocents being killed, but most terrorist's killed were claimed as 'innocent'. Far more innocent lives were saved by this operation, than lost.
In addition whole localities and neighbourhoods were not bombed to smithereens as we see today
Some of the many crucial differences.
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Unlike the bombing in Waziristan, the police/ranger action was welcomed, if not desperately sought by the local population to protect them for the marauding MQM terrorists.
Indeed it was, people did not want these terrorists there period.
They did not make it an issue of ethnic pride, and welcomed the govt action..many did not know that the action while succesful in getting rid of the MQm rats would also impact the victims of MQM who happened to live in the same areas.
*This action inevitably led to some 'innocents' being killed, but most terrorist's killed were claimed as 'innocent'. *
Similar to the action blowing up the terrorist meeting where the locals claimed innocents had died until govt started sharing lists with nat'l id numbers.
but there were many innocents that were impacted by the action in Karachi.
*In addition and whole localities and neighbourhoods were not bombed as we see today *
the action in karachi was brute force in certain areas, ask residents of those areas what happened, they had been dealing with the MQM thugs and then the action against MQM thugs got them as well.
no they were not bombed, but they were attacked with machine guns. do read up on how that entire operation unfolded.
Some of the many crucial differences.
the similarities hwever are that it was a govt level decision to wage war on its own people in which innocent ppl were also impacted. and no one was hanged the third day as the previous poster hypothesized.
Re: Shouldn’t Musharaf be hanged…
1: guilty- need somethign to take teh edge of from the cocaine habit i gots brotha
2: only when I am drunk ..boo ya
3; only when i pick someone hottie,up at the club
4: only when she dunn put out, i hafta lie about errr gettin some you know, its an image thing yo…
5: ummm nope, i also am a proud owner of a jaa namaz, and tasbeeh.
PS: waisay english say aap ki kya koi purrani dushmani hai jo ussay is tarah tabah kar rhay hain?
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I didn't know Karachi was bombed, you learn a new thing everyday.