There is no question in my mind that great Sufi Saints of Indo-Pak
played a vital role in converting people to Islam.
But should we visit their mazars. Did they taught the people of
Indo-Pak to do URS.
visiting graves and doing "essal-e-sawaab" is not forbidden.... the forbidden is the worship of graves...
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*Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi: *
visiting graves and doing "essal-e-sawaab" is not forbidden.... the forbidden is the worship of graves...
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What do you mean by essal e sawab ke leye.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
What do you mean by essal e sawab ke leye.
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you can go to their graves, read surah fatiha and other prayers for their forgiveness.... don't ask them for anything (don't use them as waseela), don't pray to them.
this is wat i believe in…and i hate it when ppl r so ignorant and do sajdas on the mazar!
so many ppl call us wahabi for not going 2 mazars…pisses me rite off! 
Buraidah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "(In the past) I forbade you from visiting graves, but visit them now.''
In another narration Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Whoever wants to visit a graveyard, let him do so, because it reminds us of the Hereafter.''
[Muslim].
Aishah (May Allah be pleased with her): reported Whenever it was her turn to spend with Messenger of Allah (PBUH), he used to go to the Baqi (graveyard in Al-Madinah) at the last part of night and say, "May you be safe, O abode of the believing people. What you have been promised has come to you. You are tarried till tomorrow and certainly we shall follow you if Allah wills. O Allah, forgive the inmates of the Baqi`-al-Gharqad.''
[Muslim].
The example of Messenger of Allah (PBUH) shows that it is right to visit the graves even at night. But the visitor is required to pray the Prophetic prayer there as it invokes Divine blessing on and pardon to the dead. It may be emphasized here that to greet the dead is a prayer for them. It is not necessary that they should hear it and also respond to it. Allah has the power to make them hear it, too. But ours should not be the belief that the dead do hear and reply. The exact position is known to Allah Alone. We are only supposed to follow the example of Messenger of Allah (PBUH) and say the greeting and prayer as mentioned above
Buraidah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Prophet (PBUH) used to teach them (i.e., the Companions) whenever they came out to visit the graveyard to say: "As-salamu alaikum ahlad-diyyari minal-Mu'minina wal-Muslimina, wa inna in sha' Allahu bikum lahiqun. As'alul-laha lana wa-lakumul-afiyyah (May you be safe, O inmates of the abodes of the believers and the Muslims, and if Allah pleases, we shall follow you, we pray to Allah for well-being for ourselves and for you).''
[Muslim].
This Hadith has a provision for a believer to visit the graveyard and to pray for his dead relatives, because the prayer of the living benefits the departed souls.
I agree with ~~BoReD-iN-BrIsBaNe~~ the only thing that is proven from the Prophet (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) and his Companions (radhi allahu anhum) when visiting graves (weather it be of a Companion, Saint or an ordinary Muslim) is to say the following Salaam and Supplication:
Al-salaamu ‘ala ahl il-diyaar min al-mu’mineen wa’l-Muslimeen, wa yarham Allaah al-mustaqdimeena minna wa’l-musta’khireen, wa innaa in sha Allaah bikum la laahiqoon. Peace be upon the inhabitants of the graves, believers and Muslims. May Allah have mercy upon those who have gone ahead of us and those who come later on, and verily we will, Allah willing, join you.
Or…
Al-salaamu ‘alaykum ahl al-diyaar min al-mu’mineen wa’l-Muslimeen, wa inna in sha Allaah lalaahiqoon. As’al Allaah lana wa lakum al-‘aafiyah. Peace be upon you, O inhabitants of the graves, believers and Muslims. Verily we will, Allah willing, join you. I ask Allah for well being for us and for you.
Everything else that people do at graves is an innovation, polytheism or both.
The Hindus bows down to their GODS and Muslims of Pak
worship graves. What is the difference.
Millions and millions of people going to Mazars.
Why is there is much ignorance in our country.Look at Urs in Ajmeer Shareef(India).All of our leaders are regulars at Mazars.
So many people go to Ghous e Azam, who is still Ghous after death.
And people say YA Ghous e Pak.And Ghareeb Nawaz. Why should
we even say YA Muahmmad.
Where are all the so called Mullahs in Pak, the proud leaders of
Maderresas i-e hate factories. Isn't there duty to raise their voices.
We are more proud of teachings of Hasan Basri, Shibli, Jeelani and
Chisti than Koran and Sunnah. Although none of them preached SHIRK.
We are more proud of tareekat than Shariat.
**Originally posted by rehman1: *
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We are more proud of teachings of Hasan Basri, Shibli, Jeelani and
Chisti than Koran and Sunnah. Although none of them preached SHIRK.
We are more proud of tareekat than Shariat. *
Cool down brother. There are not many followers of sufism anyway.
Also, you mentioned that Madressahs are "hate factories", well there could be some, but not all. Many madressahs do raise their voices, but who listens? People only listen when its time to call someone kafir.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
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We are more proud of teachings of Hasan Basri, Shibli, Jeelani and
Chisti than Koran and Sunnah. Although none of them preached SHIRK.
We are more proud of tareekat than Shariat. *
Cool down brother. There are not many followers of sufism anyway.
Also, you mentioned that Madressahs are "hate factories", well there could be some, but not all. Many madressahs do raise their voices, but who listens? People only listen when its time to call someone kafir.
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Have you ever read the news about the number of people going to
URS. And now they are going to certain arab country for
ZIARAT. And i just don't mean the Sufism.
Tell me the name of one Mullah or Allama who has talked against these
Mazar worshipping. Yeah, i am talking about the famous ones.
Yes, people are more interested in declaring people as Kafirs.
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YUSUFALI: Truly thou canst not cause the dead to listen, nor canst thou cause the deaf to hear the call, (especially) when they turn back in retreat.
PICKTHAL: Lo! thou canst not make the dead to hear, nor canst thou make the deaf to hear the call when they have turned to flee;
SHAKIR: Surely you do not make the dead to hear, and you do not make the deaf to hear the call when they go back retreating.
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YUSUFALI: "'Nor call on any, other than Allah;- Such will neither profit thee nor hurt thee: if thou dost, behold! thou shalt certainly be of those who do wrong.'"
PICKTHAL: And cry not, beside Allah, unto that which cannot profit thee nor hurt thee, for if thou didst so then wert thou of the wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust
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YUSUFALI: Nor are alike those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; but thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves.
PICKTHAL: Nor are the living equal with the dead. Lo! Allah maketh whom He will to hear. Thou canst not reach those who are in the graves.
i agree with you rehman1 , and its a very comon problem.
but the only way to get around it is to educate people about the real relegion by the qualified schoolors with wisdom , which we unfortunately dont have much as we shoot them to death due to religious differences :)
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*Originally posted by kewlsolara: *
i agree with you rehman1 , and its a very comon problem.
but the only way to get around it is to educate people about the real relegion by the qualified schoolors with wisdom , which we unfortunately dont have much as we shoot them to death due to religious differences :)
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Are there any real scholars of Islam in Pak.
yes we all agree that URS waghaira r bidahs but …goin to mazar is allowed if we dont do shirk there…
there r many prominent ulema who r aginst these things…
ulema from ahl-e-hadith and deobandia sect r quite vocal aginst these things…
and also at one plca we r saying that doin sajdah to qaboor is hirk and then when ulema give fatwa of kuffr aginst them we call ulema ignorant …
then when ulema give fatwa of kuffr aginst them we call ulema ignorant …
Interesting. Who are they.Never heard of them.
This thread reminded me of a joke but its reality. This couple lived in Makkah You could see The Minaar from there house. This Lahori couple was going to Lahore. They took some mithaaee and stuff to bring back to their lahori relatives. When they are were about to leave there were there words
"JAB AAP LOAG DATA DARBAAR JAEIN GAYE TOU HUMARAYE LIYE ZAROOR DUA KEEJIYE GA".
That tells how illiterate our muslim ummah is when it comes to these things.
-Salman
ps good thread.
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good one SalmanNY.
Visit...offer Fatiah and leave. There is not much else to do is there?