Should We Say No To Shariah Courts?

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In my view, such claims have been grossly exaggerated. The fact is Muhammad's mother was not buried alive at birth nor any of his wives or cousins etc etc. Arabs used to have many wives and slaves girls. This would have been impossible if pagans had killed their daughters at birth at an alarming rate.

The lot of people in general has been improving always, for that is the way world works. People have been changing with time in various respects due to improvments in their knowledge and experience. This improvment continues even today. This is why ideas that were improvement in the past have become backwards today because standards for decency have risen to measure things by. So Islam or muslims alonecannot be creditted for such natural improvments. All movement in the world have brought about something better that was not their before them.

The quran mentions queen of sheba and we find in hadith accounts that muhammad's first wife, khadija, was a business woman. If the culture at the time was not sufficiently peaceful at the time then people could not travel about for business as Muhamamd used to. So the piocture portrayed about pagans of arabia by islamic sources is controversial to say the least if not hugely exaggerated.

Perhaps, muslims did so to create a contrasting situation to raise muhammad above others. Muslim have the habit of saying that pagans were ignorant people when it suits them and very knowledgable when that suits them. For example, one may have heard muslims saying that pagans were so good at language and poetry etc yet could not produce the like of the quran. This they do to show that even very knowledgeable people of time could not meet the challenge of the quran 2/23 etc. Perhaps they think that it would be embarrasing for them to claim that pagans were ignorant and illiterate so could not produce anything like the quran, for then the challenge would look absurd ie what is the point of challenging somebody who is not even capable of understanding the nature of the challenge? That would be like an adult challenging a new born baby to produce an encyclopedia .

So when one refers to islamic history, one needs to be self critical to some degree to see that one is not making any claim that opposes reality of life as it is before our very eyes.

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Apart from everything, it seems strange to have a Shariah court in Canada.I mean it would be great, but wouldnt it make other people want their 'own' courts as well? This is a major step, dont know what it could lead to.

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if you dont like islam no one is forcing you in it…you can leave it..but trying to change islam for your own desires is not acceptable. islam is complete and no one is changing it inshallah.

Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al-Maytatah (the dead animals - cattle-beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and the meat of that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allâh, or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., or on which Allâh’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering, and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns - and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal - unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) _ and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An_Nusub (stone altars). (Forbidden) also is to use arrows seeking luck or decision, (all) that is Fisqun (disobedience of Allâh and sin). This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. **This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above-mentioned meats), then surely, Allâh is Oft_Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Al-Ma’idah 5:3) **

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Shariah courts have as much a place in a western democracy as a Hooters does in Medina.

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In a secular system, shariah will not work but if system is islamic then obviously it will.

It is funny now to see the secular extremists now slandering islam on there own doorstep with shariah law in thier face in the west.

Previously the secularists had free hand and where busy forcing thier corrupt systems in muslim countries which has now turned into a losing battle where you now have the west physically with military in the muslim countries to ensure islamic state does not return!

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*Originally posted by ak47: *
In a secular system, shariah will not work but if system is islamic then obviously it will.

It is funny now to see the secular extremists now slandering islam on there own doorstep with shariah law in thier face in the west.

Previously the secularists had free hand and where busy forcing thier corrupt systems in muslim countries which has now turned into a losing battle where you now have the west physically with military in the muslim countries to ensure islamic state does not return!
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these sharia law you think came from god or some desert tribal law
cutting off the hand may be arabic tribal law incorporated into islam.

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*Originally posted by rvikz: *

these sharia law you think came from god or some desert tribal law
cutting off the hand may be arabic tribal law incorporated into islam.
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Shariah law = The law of Allah. It is revelaed to human mankind in the Quran and it's messenger Muhammed (pbuh). Not created by humans.

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Hmmm, the beginning of a muslim separatist movement in Canada? It seems any country with a sizable muslim population eventually faces this challenge and my guess is that this is the way it started in the most other countries where muslims are fighting their oppressors. It reminds me of the kid who's kindergarden report card included the comment "Doesn't get along well with others".

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Its a choice. Why are these writers getting their panties in a bunch. They don't like 'em, don't use 'em.

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_31-8-2004_pg7_46

Shariah debate rages on in canada

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_31-8-2004_pg3_5

SECOND OPINION: Will killing blasphemers benefit Islam? —Khaled Ahmed’s TV Review

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_31-8-2004_pg3_1

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Today France banned the wearing of Hijab for the muslim girls in the schools.

So much for protecting the rights of human beings!

Adopting secularism leads to the ridiculous situation of referring to the laws of the Creator in your personal affairs, but to the laws of man in societal issues. This is not acceptable in Islam.

Secularism means to separate religion from political life. This means that in the eyes of the secularists, man's laws are superior to Allah's (swt) laws and therefore Islam has no place in society. Consequently, the French government is seeking to ban the Hijab in schools because the Hijab is an order of Allah (swt) that affects societal life. As Muslims we reject secularism because the law of Allah (swt) is the only valid law while the law of man is Kufr and invalid.

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Dear AK47,

Man does not think his own laws are better than laws of god but that man does not think that god has sent any law at all. Why? Because there is no proof for that whatsoever. In fact man even questions the claims of very existence of any such being.

Are you willing to prove that any law on this earth is from god? If not then your assumption that man thinks his own laws are better than that of god is not correct.

Moreover, if any law could be proven divine in its origin beyond any doubt, man could never be able to compete with that.

Since all religious laws have been superceded by later modifications by people so that proves all of them manmade as well, for you could not defeat god, could you?

Regards and all the best.

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MMughal you have a 2 point question which is regular question made by secualrists which is easily refuted.

firstly you said indirectly that you doubted the existence of allah(swt) and your second point is there is no proof of allah(swt) laws.

to be convinced of allah(swt) laws you have to be firstly convinced allah(swT) exists:

The existence of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’aala) can be perceived and comprehended via the senses, because the dependence of the tangible perceptible things on an eternal "thing" indicates the existence of the Creator. When man deeply reflects on the creatures of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’aala), and examines closely the universe and attempts to comprehend time and place, he will see that he is only a very tiny atom in relation to these ever-moving worlds. He will also see that these many worlds are all functioning in accordance with a specific way and fixed laws. Thus he will fully realise the existence of this Creator and comprehend His oneness and see His grandeur and capability. He will realise that all what he sees of the contrast between the day and the night, and the direction of the winds and the existence of the seas and the rivers and celestial orbits are indeed rational proofs and expressive evidences of the existence of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’aala) and His oneness and capability.

It is through the ration that the existence of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’aala) is comprehended, and it is itself that is employed as the method of arriving at Imaan (positive belief). Hence Islam ordered the use of ration and deemed it the evidence regarding Imaan in the existence of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’aala) . Thus the proof of the existence of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’aala) is rational.

Once the proof of creator is prooved then the proof of allah(swt) laws will naturally follow.

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If it’s so easily refuted why do you have to posts someone else’s explanation?

khilafah.com

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*Originally posted by ak47: *Once the proof of creator is prooved then the proof of allah(swt) laws will naturally follow.
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Exactly, but what you have stated are mere conjectures ie there is no proof of Allah's existence in what you said.

Since there is no proof that Allah exists therefore to argue over the law from Allah becomes absurd.

If you do not exist then if anyone ascribes anything to you would not make sense. This is the problem secular democrats have with religious theocrats.

World's ideological, political, social, cultural or for that matter economic problems cannot be left to mere theocratic assumptuous solutions. We must experiment ourselves and learn how to deal with all kinds of issues that face us all by ourselves.

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MMughal

Islam is built upon one basis, i.e., the aqeedah, which states there is a Creator behind the universe, man, and life on earth, there is a creator who created them all and created everything: He is Allah. And that this Creator created everything out of nothing. His existence is compulsory and He is not created - otherwise, He wouldnât be a Creator. His being a Creator makes it necessary that He is not created and that His existence is imperative because all things depend for their existence on Him and He does not depend on anything.

The things which are comprehensible to the mind, man, life, and the universe, are limited, weak, imperfect, it is imperative for them to have a Creator. Man is limited, because he grows in every aspect (intellectually and physically) to a certain limit that he cannot surpass. Life is limited, because it manifests itself only in individuals and ends with the individual. The universe is limited, because it is the sum of celestial bodies, and each body is limited, and the sum of limited things is irrefutably limited. Thus, man, life, and the universe are definitely limited. When we ponder on the limited things, we see that they are not azaly (eternal - having no beginning or end), otherwise they could not be limited, and therefore, they must be created by something else, which is the Creator of man, life and the universe? This Creator, is either created by someone else, created himself, or eternal and self-subsistent. It is absolutely false that he is created by someone else, because if so this entity would be limited and could not be rationally considered as the Creator. As for being self created, the ramification of which would be simultaneously being created by himself and creating himself. This is simply absurd. Hence, the creator whose existence is imperative must be eternal and self-subsistent. He is Allah.

Anyone who has the mental faculty can comprehend from things that can be sensed that they have a creator. Since they are perceived to be imperfect, weak and dependent, they are definitely created. Therefore, it is sufficient to draw oneâs attention to anything in the universe, life and man to conclude that there is a creator and an organiser. Hence, looking at any celestial body of the universe, contemplating upon any facet of life, or considering any aspect of man, gives definite evidence to the existence of Allah

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astagfurullah, the kufr i am reading is sickening...
may allah pardon us for not trying to stop the kufr that is spreading in this land.

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Dear ak47, you are still conjecturing and offering no proof whatsoever.

Please try and realise the difference between proof and assumptions. Perhaps you should see 2/78, 6/115-116, 8/7-8, 10/32-33,36,66, 17/81, 18/5,56, 21/18, 23/71, 25/42, 26/154, 28/75, 31/6, 20, 34/49, 42/24, 45/32, 53/23,28 and many other verses.

The quran clearly condemns baseless conjectures in matters relating beliefs eg it condemns pagans just for conjecturing gods besides Allah. It seeks proof of them for what they claim etc etc. However, it avoids the same when it comes to proving the quranic claims by same standard. Thus it is OK for muslims to believe in Allah without any proof but wrong for pagans to believe in their gods without any proof.

In short muslim would not be using conjectural arguments if they had clear proof for their claim, would they? This is why if you cannot prove your claim then better not accuse others for deliberately denying the truth or you will be landing yourself in difficulty.

It is for this reason islam should be kept out of political arena or it will lose credibility even as a faith because people are getting better and better at scrutinising ideologies, religious and otherwise.

Regards and best wishes.

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MMughal

clearly you have not even bothered to read the posts. Instead you say using your brain i.e ration to come to the conclusion of allah(SWT) existence is conjecture! how ridiculous is that, if you not going to use ration then what are you going to use your leg!

Since you are mentioning ayahs here is few for you to ponder on:

"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alteration of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah (subhanahu wa ta’aala) sends down from the skies, and the life which he gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth, (here) indeed are signs for a people that are wise." [Al-Baqarah 164].

Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay they have no firm belief." Quran 52:35-36]

Using the rational thought We see that everything around us is limited and finite. Everything that is limited and finite is dependant and everything that is dependant is dependant upon something greater than itself.

Applying this to everything we see will bring us to a conclusion. If everything in the universe is dependant because it has not the power of being in existence on its own accord, and is also finite and limited, then what is everything dependant upon for its existence?

Two possibilities exist, that is either all finite and limited objects depend upon each other in an infinite chain of inter dependencies (infinite regression). Or there is a first cause a sole creator upon which everything depends. To explain this further we can understand this by way of analogy. Consider a set of dominoes for example, for the final domino to fall it is dependant upon the domino before it, and for that domino to fall over it is dependant upon the domino before it. Now imagine if there was an infinite number of dominoes…… would any of the dominoes fall over?

The answer is no, none of the dominoes would fall over. Now to view any aspect of the universe we would see that something is already in existence in essence the last domino has fallen over. Thus meaning that finite things are not dependant upon each other in an infinite chain. Therefore, there needs to be a first cause or a sole Creator upon which everything depends and itself being independent. Now, we have noted that everything that is finite and limited is also dependant, hence, for something to be independent it would need to be infinite and unlimited. This is whom we Muslim call Allah (swt) the sole Creator, self subsistent, and completely unique and different from creation.

"Declare, Allah is one and only, Allah is self sufficient (needy of nothing but upon which everything depends), Neither Allah begets nor was he begotten, And there is nothing equal to or comparable unto Allah" [Quran 112]

The only rational and intellectual solution to the question of creation is that there is a Creator that has accounted for all that we see and perceive. Ration tells us that nothing can be created without a creator. Ultimately, there must be a Creator who is unlimited in every aspect.

Indeed allah(swt) is the greatest.

And man who implements his own whims and desires and does not seek the guidance from the quran and sunnah such as the secular extremists is bound for disaster.

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Dear Readers,

Salaams,

Pakistani constitution is Islamic. We do not need to appoint more moullanas to pay and do the same job as our 73 constitution.

Do not copy iran. They are saying aloud and aloud we are trying to experiment if their islamic government works. We all know it is not working at all. Rather it is in the process of crupting the simple ,nice, islamic moullana. Now they fill their stomach with lots of money in the name of ushar or khums.

Pakistan is better than them.
Most of the pakistanis are very very shareef . There is not any problem of girls running or boys running from homes or any other unislamic act.

all unislamic acts are done in low character, kamin families.
We need to educate them. Educaton would make them understanding islamic values.

Dande kay zour say kabhe kouch nahe houwa.