every law in the world has been used somehow in wrong way. does that mean we should get rid of it every law that we have. there are lot of innocent people who were hanged for murder, (which they didn't do). ok get rid of death planty. here in gupshup, there are lot of people who blindly hate everything that even have word "islam" in it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS, AREN'T YOU MUSLIMS!
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So does this mean that quran wwas not for all times to come? and with this point, we need a new prophet (naozobillah)..
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Correctly understood and implemented, the Qur'an could serves as guidance till the end of time ... frozen interpretations from earlier centuries give birth to crippled states like the Talebanic Afghanistan.. they can never fly.. Pakistan needs to stay as far away as possible from becoming such a state.
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Correctly understood and implemented, the Qur'an could serves as guidance till the end of time ... frozen interpretations from earlier centuries give birth to crippled states like the Talebanic Afghanistan.. they can never fly.. Pakistan needs to stay as far away as possible from becoming such a state.
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Ofcourse Taliban were short sighted but their direction and niyat (i think ) was right. They lacked modern education so that Quran can be understood better. But we also must blame foreign interfernce in making them cripple.
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Ofcourse Taliban were short sighted but their direction and niyat (i think ) was right. They lacked modern education so that Quran can be understood better. But we also must blame foreign interfernce in making them cripple.
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taliban were better then whatever we have( our so called leader). i don't say they were perfact but they were 99% right.
what you mean is that 1400 years ago when there weren't modern education people didn't understood guran better,naozobillah. whatever form of islam was 1400 years ago is the right islam and that is what we should try to it now. there were no "MODERN ISLAM" 1400 years ago.
This law needs to be amended. But with seriuos and an honest effort to improve on it. There are too many loopholes in it to ignore it but the Basic idea is very noble. Too many unrealistic concepts which need to be 'ijtehad' upon, but sighs our ulemas...
PA, my point of taunt was the fact that you claim to follow quran to the best of your ability and then you reject a major penal code that quran talks about. what are the real requirements about the witnesses? does quran define them? that is just an excuse to reject quran while still claiming to be following it. quranic laws can be implemented in any time and will work inshallah.
if you think following hadith is so bad, what about picking and choosing of quran that people like? they like the part about understanding and love and do not like one about jihad, hudood, and qital, so they say its outdated or taken out of context and reject it. is picking and choosing the book of allah not bad?
There was a documentary on geo recently about the number of women in Pakistan jails, and how most of them were wrongly acquitted thanks to one of Zia's gift to the nation. This Hudood ordinance can easily be misused by an affluent person in Pakistan to get someone in trouble.
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There was a documentary on geo recently about the number of women in Pakistan jails, and how most of them were wrongly acquitted thanks to one of Zia's gift to the nation. This Hudood ordinance can easily be misused by an affluent person in Pakistan to get someone in trouble.
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So where lies the fault? In the judicial system's implemetation of laws or the Quranic law itself?
It should be amended and made fair so that women are treated as equals to men. No women should ever get any punishment for being a rape victim. Just the idea that such a thing could happen boggles the mind. If it cannot be amended, then it should be repealed in the name of justice.
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So where lies the fault? In the judicial system's implemetation of laws or the Quranic law itself?
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Islamabad, this topic here refers to the Hudood Ordinance. Please dont try to bring in Quran here. Basically youre doing what that dictator zia did, when he wanted to get himself in power again, pulled up a referundum drama asking ppl whether they want islam (him), or not.
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Islamabad, this topic here refers to the Hudood Ordinance. Please dont try to bring in Quran here. Basically youre doing what that dictator zia did, when he wanted to get himself in power again, pulled up a referundum drama asking ppl whether they want islam (him), or not.
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Would you care to enlighten me the about the origin of any such laws? Quran or Zia ul HAq? IF Quran isn't the basis of Hadood LAw, than what exactly are we talking about??? Be brave and just say we do not need to have any Quranic law.