Should Taufeeq keep the wicket for Pakistan in future?

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I support this idea. If Dravid can do it, why can’t Taufeeq. We have seen his keeping in past as part timer and I think he fits into the B class keepers perfectly, Moin belongs to the same catagory according to the Intl’ standards.

This will give us two advantages:

a) will always have a solid and authentic batsman all the time in the team
b) this will leave a space for an allrounder in ODI (without compromising any inform batsman) and a specialist spinner or another batsman in Tests to strengthen the side.

Besides we should groom Yasir up as a part time bowler.

The ODI will look something like this. SO STRONG!!!

Yasir
Farhat/Nazir
Taufeeq+
Yoyo
Inzi
Razzler
Afridi
Malik
Shoaib
Shabbir
Sami/Rao/Rauf

This gives us…
Five Specialist batsmen
Three explosive allrounders (count them 2.5 if you like)
Three specialist bowlers
Six bowlers requirement is fullfilled as well.

*Afridi can be promoted for opening position if required.

  • Even if he fails with bat, we still have five specialist batsman to prevent a collapse.
  • If Malik fails overseas we still can play another seamer (Rao/Rauf) or Saqi/Danish. This cuts of an allrounder, but having strong batting line up, we can still survive.
    *Rao and Rauf can be backup of any of the pacers for injuries (which is very common these days)
    *Nazir can be brought for Farhat if he struggles

Bottom line is having Taufeeq (and saving a keeper’s spot) will strengthen the batting line up in such a way that we can juggle around the players easily, without loosing the balance. We will reduce the fair of pinch hitter failing in crunch matches.

The Test side will be…

Yasir
Taufeeq+
Yoyo
Inzi
Younis/Bazed/Shadaab/Faisal/Farhat etc etc
Razzler
Malik
Shoaib
Sami/Rao/Rauf
Shabbir
Saqi/Danish/Tariq Mehmood

This will give us…

Five specialist Test batsmen
Four specialist bowlers
Two allrounders
Two part time bowlers good enough for Tests (Inzi and Yasir)

*Advantage of having a specialist spinner along with Malik
*So almost 7 bowlers to shuffle around. That reduce the pressure from main bowlers in a five day game.

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Apart from Taufeeq Umar , the commentator I don’t remember who he was sain, after keeping wickets Dravid’s batting has further improved, may be same will go with Taufeeq Umar if he keeps wicket, but y can’t Kamran Akmal becomes a middle order Hard hitting batsman bsides being a keeper :confused:

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are we planning to make the same mistake that india made??? ok, dravid can keep wickets, but he is not a professional keeper and as a result, india is suffering coz of that...even Bishan Singh Bedi and Kiran Morey said that they need to come up with a professional keeper soon....

so, why not learn from the mistakes of our rivals and stick to moin, latif or akmal...

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I think it will giv another tension to taufeeq and he'll not b able to concentrate on his batting which he really needs to.

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u dont seem to be very familiar with players batting position....

u cant have afridi down the order....
younis khan is a much better batsman to have....

likewise farhat cant be sent in the middle order....
he, like shadab, is an opener who wont fare good in the middle order....

malik isnt a useful test bowler....
hence we can have other more useful batsmen to replace him in the test team....

sami is a sort of a permanent member in the team....
he cant lose his place to bowlers like rao, except in case of injury....

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Mughal, Order is not a big deal. If we have three openers in a team, we can alway select the most inform to send first. Taufeeq and Yasir can bat on No. 3. We can have Inzi and Yoyo coming late or vice versa. Players need to adjust according to the team requirement. A batsman who is good at opening should be able to play at No. 5 if there are better openers in the team.

Saqi/Rao/Rauf/Tariq are reserved players as I mentioned. In case of injuries or if a bowler is really off color in series, he can be replaced by them. After all we need to have backup plans too. We have so many talented ppl waiting for their turn. There is no need to change anything in current team, but in case of injuries etc, atleast we should have someone who is the first choice replacement and has been practicing with national team on nets. Rao, is an example. The guy has impressed Miandad and Wasim alot on the nets.

My only point is that I feel the way Moin's keeping is these days, we can play Taufeeq instead. There will not be much difference on the keeping and also we are opening up a slot for another batsman/allrounder-pinch hitter/specialist spinner at the same time.

Regarding Akmal, I guess, we have enough hitters in the team at this time. Playing Taufeeq as keeper as well specialst batsman in ODI squad, will further boost our batting and we can surely avoid collapse with this batting line up.

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I think its a good idea but I'm not sure how good of a keeper Taufeeq is.

Plus Indian bowling attack is no where near Pakistan's. Imagine Dravid keeping for Pak... I doubt he would prove to be a good keeper for Shoaib, Sami and Shabbir. Even for India in the second one dayer he gave away atleast 10 runs (Afridi and Yasir's inside edges) which I thought a specialist keeper could have saved.

Smoothy, we'll be watching the game at home or Albion...PM me if you wanna join

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I agree with boss. What workd for India may not work for us, let taufeeq do what he does best and that is bat.

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And u think Taufeeq will be able to keep to people like...Shaoib Akhtar, Sami and Shabeer...all above 90 mph and with deliveries flying all over the place.

India on the other hand...has all medium pacers...who bowl to a strict line and length.

If Pakistan ever go with a partime keeper...it will be the worst mistake ever.

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I dont think a B Rated Wicket Keeper should do the job behind Shoaib Akhtar and other Pakistani fast bowlers.. Its more important to have a decent wicket keeper than to have an extra batsman. I am not saying Moin is a perfect keeper but he is still a professional and isnt a bad batsman and we will have better keepers to choose from once Moin retires. Plus, have you ever seen Dravid's keeping? He is a joke. India would be better off playing with six batsman rather than 7 and have a professional keeper. I have seen him dropping crucial chances and crucial stages and thats never good.

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NO.

Reason being simple, Shoaib and Sami. Dravid can do that because 1) India is desperate without his keeping (which we are not) and they havent got any choice IMO and 2) We got Moin, Rashid still playing with kamran and humayun farhat waiting in the wings.. All of them totally handy batsmen as well.

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*Originally posted by saby: *
NO.

Reason being simple, Shoaib and Sami. Dravid can do that because 1) India is desperate without his keeping (which we are not) and they havent got any choice IMO and 2) We got Moin, Rashid still playing with kamran and humayun farhat waiting in the wings.. All of them totally handy batsmen as well.
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agreed especially on the second point. If we can manage to mould Humayun or Karman into a Gilcrhist like mould then why bother with part-time keepers?

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Re: Should Taufeeq keep the wicket for Pakistan in future?

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*Originally posted by smooth_guy: *
I support this idea. If Dravid can do it, why can't Taufeeq. We have seen his keeping in past as part timer and I think he fits into the B class keepers perfectly, Moin belongs to the same catagory according to the Intl' standards.

This will give us two advantages:

a) will always have a solid and authentic batsman all the time in the team
b) this will leave a space for an allrounder in ODI (without compromising any inform batsman) and a specialist spinner or another batsman in Tests to strengthen the side.

Besides we should groom Yasir up as a part time bowler.

The ODI will look something like this. SO STRONG!!!!!

Yasir
Farhat/Nazir
Taufeeq+
Yoyo
Inzi
Razzler
Afridi
Malik
Shoaib
Shabbir
Sami/Rao/Rauf

This gives us.....
Five Specialist batsmen
Three explosive allrounders (count them 2.5 if you like)
Three specialist bowlers
Six bowlers requirement is fullfilled as well.

*Afridi can be promoted for opening position if required.
* Even if he fails with bat, we still have five specialist batsman to prevent a collapse.
* If Malik fails overseas we still can play another seamer (Rao/Rauf) or Saqi/Danish. This cuts of an allrounder, but having strong batting line up, we can still survive.
*Rao and Rauf can be backup of any of the pacers for injuries (which is very common these days)
*Nazir can be brought for Farhat if he struggles

Bottom line is having Taufeeq (and saving a keeper's spot) will strengthen the batting line up in such a way that we can juggle around the players easily, without loosing the balance. We will reduce the fair of pinch hitter failing in crunch matches.

The Test side will be.....

Yasir
Taufeeq+
Yoyo
Inzi
Younis/Bazed/Shadaab/Faisal/Farhat etc etc
Razzler
Malik
Shoaib
Sami/Rao/Rauf
Shabbir
Saqi/Danish/Tariq Mehmood

This will give us.....

Five specialist Test batsmen
Four specialist bowlers
Two allrounders
Two part time bowlers good enough for Tests (Inzi and Yasir)

*Advantage of having a specialist spinner along with Malik
*So almost 7 bowlers to shuffle around. That reduce the pressure from main bowlers in a five day game.
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Interested Thread..........

Moin is doing such a great job that I wouldn't change the team.
If Moin retire and we need to replace him then there is a possibility that Tufeeq can be WK in ODI but I wouldn't let him come @ #3.
WK is not easy, especially in ODI, I wouldn’t bring him @ #3 or Opener.
Just ask Dravid, he hates WK in ODI because it is a very tough Job.

Here is my team, Excluding Moin & INZI since they only have few years left in them probably less in 24 months.

Yasir
Imran Nazir / Imran Farhat / Shadaab
Yoyo
Tufeeq Umer (WK)
Younis /Asim Kamal / Misbah /Bazed//Faisal/
Razzler / Bilal Asad
Malik / Afridi / mohd hafeez
Shoaib
Sami/Rao/Rauf
Shabbir
Saqi/Danish/Tariq Mehmood

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i think we need to find a professional replacement for moin very soon....coz moin or latif won't be there long....i dont think that either of them will play the next world cup....so i think we better start the hunt now...

i am not very much satisfied with akmal, coz i have seen him keep, and he isnt that impressive...

moreover, on the issue of taufeeq keeping the wickets, its a big no no....for those who think that dravid is doing a good job, let me ask them...."Do they have pacers of the class of Shoaib or Sami"....whenever Shoaib or Sami bowls a wild delivery, moin is at his best and makes sure that it doesnt go for a four...