Yeah, I know.. 
I was just in fantasy-land.. romanticizing the idea of Roman dictators :eek:
I would rather see Ashcroft going before Rums. But I might be in luck & they all might leave us come November. :D
Part of my reason for starting this thread was to also think about what effect a resignation (Rummy or other) might have on the election.. I forgot to add that earlier and now others beat me to the point.
One line I was thinking of was that it might reinvigorate the more conservative ‘undecideds’.. that’s what folks have been chanting (mostly liberals though) about Cheney and Rummy to a lesser extent. I’m not so sure I buy that though.. this guy got the reason why, problem is, you have to trust the Democrats to not fumble in this scenario (don’t hold your breath):
Let’s say Rumsfeld resigns on Friday. The election is still six months away. And the nation is at war. So a new Defense Secretary would be needed more or less immediately. That would open up a very uncomfortable prospect for the administration.
Confirmation hearings for a new Sec Def would, I think, inevitably turn into a national forum for discussing the management of the Pentagon, the planning for the war and the lack of planning for the occupation. The new nominee would be drawn into all sorts of uncomfortble public second-guessing of what’s happened up until this point. Sure, that’s stuff under Rumsfeld. But, really, it’s stuff under Bush – the civilian head of the United States military.
That, I have to imagine, is something the White House would like to avoid at any cost.
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Then again they could always hope that Democrats’ questioning (malicious political badgering, in Rush-speak) will turn them into innocent underdogs, regardless of fact.
Reportedly when Rumsfeld goes before Congressional Committees tomorrow in response to the Abuse he's going to call for an independent investigation smart move but it falls short. He's also going to insist that the DoD is doing everything they can in a fast fashion to investigate and prosecute those involved. It should be interesting to see how Rumsfeld reacts when he throws his **** out there and its spit back in his face. Time for Donald to "bring it on" and watch how far he brings this administration down.
Should Rumsfeld resign post the Iraqi Prisoner abuse exposé?
Poll requested by 5Abi.
Please provide reasons why you think he should or should'nt resign.
MERGED with earlier discussion posted by spoon.
He should resign because he's a war-mongering dickhead.
He should never of been in the Administeration in the first place.
This is a catch 22 situation. If he resigns he'll screw Bush and if he doesn't resign he'll screw Bush. So the answer from me is I really don't give a toss.
His punishment from Allah is due either way.
Mursalin, you could merge my other Rummy thread over here if 5Abi doesn’t mind.. make things easier? ]
Yes, definitely. Not only for this latest fiasco, he’s screwed up enough over his short tenure. But I’m afraid there are enough idiots out there who, if Rummy were sacked, wouldn’t quite comprehend why. This’ll definitely happen if Bush isn’t reelected, but if Rummy goes.. there’ll be fools who say it was simply politics and that it was all the Democrats’ fault, etc.. even though damn near everyone, even these idiots, has so far criticized Rummy for one thing or another.
So Bush is screwed either way? good 
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Rumsfeld, in between administrations when republican were not running the White House, was a banker. Somewhere I read that he financed all sorts of deals between US and Iraq, US and N. Korea, and was even involed in Iran Contra.
His resignation poses no threat to the administation in the context of how Sholay (see above) is predicting. Donny is a party man! He is a staunch republican just like Cheney, Daddy Bush, and Grand Daddy Bush (Prescott * Bush). Donny is too smart to bad mouth the pres or the GOP because that action might lead to his excommunication.
Shamsheer ul Haq*
I think he should Resign,
But does that even count,
The question should be will he resign.
"Secretary Rumsfeld has been part of two importan wars .. He is a ..err ..aa errr.. important part of my cabinet. He will stay in my cabinet"
This was Bush's public vote of confidence for Rumsfeld. Privtely, is reported that he has chastised him. Many Democrats are calling for his resignation already since he was involved in the cover-up and failed to disclose the scandal to Congress and more importantly his boss Bush.
PS: Spoon, I dont mind. Threads can be merged.
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Yeah, I saw one of his long-time supporters, now quite disillusioned but still gasping, trying to point out that this means no one will be fired by theorizing that Rummy could become National Security Advisor, Condi move to State and Colin slips into SecDef.
McCain is drilling Rummy. LOL
If Rummy resigns right now, maybe they will let him out of the hearings early!
Democracy is a sloppy affair, nasty to watch, and it takes time. Can you feel the pendulum swinging?
Will Rummy write a book when he leaves, or will he have a stroke first?
yea but dint one of ur army generals say that Christian God was better than Muslim God?..darrn 
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y'all think Rummy might explain his meeting with Saddam in 1983 in his book ?
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y'all think Rummy might explain his meeting with Saddam in 1983 in his book ?
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Hypocrisy at its worst!
I'd like to know who voted NO at the polls.
10 People said that Rummy should resign while one said NO.
Shamsheer ul Haq
I said no.
No he alone should not be sacked, what would it gain in the greater sense of things?
There's enough blame for countless shoulders here. It's almost an insult to single out only one bastrd out of many.
They all go sooner or later. But to suggest removing just Rumpfeel will appease anyone but the most gullible is foolish.
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I said no.
No he alone should not be sacked, what would it gain in the greater sense of things?
There's enough blame for countless shoulders here. It's almost an insult to single out only one bastrd out of many.
They all go sooner or later. But to suggest removing just Rumpfeel will appease anyone but the most gullible is foolish.
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I agree with you to an extent that blame doesn't lie on Rummy alone but on many shouldiers that are involved in this fiasco. However, I must bring forth a few points to make the case for Rummy's dismissal stronger.
"Firing" Rummy will make the administration as a whole seem weaker in the eyes of the Americans and others who are scrutinizing the administration. In public's eye it is Rummy who is running the show, giving interviews, looking arrogantly confident, not the generals and other army personnel. Someone here has to take a fall; dismissal of army privates, lieutenants, captains, or majors will not send a message loud enough as sacking Rummy.
I believe that as long as Republicans are in power, the situation in Iraq and for muslims in the States will continue to deteriorate and hit the lowest ebbs since early 80's when Palestinians were made out to be WORLD ENEMY #1 and were blamed for the atrocities committed by the IDF against the Lebanese. Therefore, ostracizing of Rummy will give Kerry Camp a boost in the poles, something that can be used to their advantage. As muslims lack a loud and clear PR, we have to place our hopes with the Kerry and the Democrats.
Shamsheer ul Haq