Should Pakistanis have a pride in Vedas, Yoga, Ramayana etc?

Before 1947 there was no Pakistan. Everyone was Indian. Indian civilisation is more than 6000 years old. Should Pakistanis take pride in Indian culture which they would have owned prior to 1947 or pre-Islam like Ayurveda, Yoga, Vedas, Indian Classical music and dance, Ramayana, Bhagwad Gita or Mahabharata. Many of the present day Pakistani ancestors would have made significant contributions to these


The Taliban in our midst

Segregating knowledge only fans the fire of fanaticism

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=31705

The biggest indoor stadium in Ohio City, USA, was recently alive and vibrant with thousands of people. The event: India Day celebrations. Thousands of Indians from all religious groups were present and participated exuberantly in the festivities. One could really see the colour of India there. The programme began with the chanting of the Ganesh Vandana, the lighting of the lamp and then a dance, the Bharata Natyam. It was a treat for everyone, including the many Americans who seemed to be enjoying themselves. Outside the huge hall, there were many stalls. Among them was one where a Muslim merchant was selling Tanjore paintings and was proudly explaining to the visitors the mythology they depicted.

Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs — everyone there felt a sense of belongingness irrespective of religious barriers. It was a celebration of the true spirit of India, which is an all-encompassing, all-embracing one. Compare this with the Taliban, which could not even own their Bamiyan Buddha statues, in spite of the fact that they were priceless historical relics. Against worldwide opposition, they demolished the statues. This Taliban mentality — of admiring terror and promoting divisiveness — which has crept into the Asian continent, is very dangerous. Take a recent report that was published in the Express, ‘State takes saffron out of textbooks’. The Vedas and the Epics, which were always considered as “the sacred books of India”, have now been changed to “the sacred book of the Hindus”.

This way we end up dividing people more and more. Is this not like the Taliban? It is a known fact that Aurangzeb brutally killed thousands, including the Great Sikh Gurus, Guru Tegh Bahadur and the sons of Guru Gobind Singhji. A person who killed his own brothers and put his father in prison is surprisingly called a “zinda pir” (living saint) and a devout Muslim. It is a pity that he has been glorified in our ninth standard textbook.

If our education becomes an exercise in appeasing one community or another, then it is a gross injustice to knowledge and to the truth. Our educators, too, need to be impartial and not hide the facts for sentimental reasons. By praising the aggressors of our country, one is not only praising terror and the terrorist tendencies, but also demeaning the sacrifices made by the Sikhs and the Sikh gurus. Covering up what Aurangazeb did, or refuting the Mughal atrocities and Islamic fanaticism as a threat to India, is distorting history and in turn the truth. Denying it, like denying the suppression of lower castes by the upper castes, will not help the process of creating a harmony in our rich diversity. The terror and the bomb blasts in the country is a result of refusing to acknowledge history. It is enlightening to note that the atrocities of Hitler are deplored not only by the Polish people and the Jews but also by the Germans themselves, so that that dark chapter in the history of the world is not repeated.

Itihaas (which literally means “this is how it happened”) is about highlighting the good so that the coming generations are inspired by it and do not continue to be subsumed by the violence of the past, thus ending up repeating it. Today it is the Vedas being described as “belonging only to the Hindus”, next will come music — “Carnatic music belongs only to the Hindus”. Then will come dance — “Bharata Natyam is only of the Hindus”. This way we will be sowing the seeds of a Taliban mentality for future generations. Disowning one’s culture and segregating traditions is very dangerous for the unity and integrity of the country.

The Vedas are the knowledge of all Indians. Every Indian should feel a sense of belongingness for all that belongs to India, including the language, literature, and spirituality. Indonesia, though an Islamic country, takes full pride in the Ramayana and Mahabharata and regard these epics as an epitome of their cultural heritage. They have a Ganesha emblazoned on their Rupiah 20,000 note. If you visit any university there, you will find a huge statue of Ganesha welcoming you. The Indonesians consider all these as their own. We need to learn from them.

Long ago, the Manuvadis held back all the precious knowledge of yoga, ayurveda and Vedanta and did not impart it to other sections of society. This seems to be the attitude of our educationists today where the textbooks claim that Sanskrit, Ayurveda, Yoga, and so on, belong only to the Hindus and not to all Indians. Dussehra and Ganesha festivals are considered social events. Many Muslims take part in these celebrations wholeheartedly. Karnataka, unlike Hyderabad, has had a history of communal harmony. Members of different religions have been enthusiastically participating in the festivals of other religions. But the Karnataka education system, instead of keeping alive this tradition of uniting people, is actually dividing India in the name of de-saffronisation. The common man does not want these types of political games and counter-games to enter the arena of education. If this is not curbed right now, our next generation will face serious the consequences of divisions within communities that portend the rise of the Taliban mentality.

Once Holi was being celebrated in Botswana with traditional Indian songs and bhajans. Everyone was swaying to these tunes, except our own high commissioner, who felt very much out of place because he was a Christian from the Northeast. An instance like this points to a faulty education, one in which we are not teaching our children to accept all the wisdom in the world as their own. To say that Ayurveda belongs to Hindus, Sufism belongs to Muslims, and the wisdom in the Bible belongs only to Christians is not a healthy way to bring up our children. Segregating knowledge in this manner only fans the fire of fanaticism. We need to realise that just by saying Allah, a Hindu will not get blisters in his mouth, or just by saying Ram, a Muslim will not get converted or lose his faith. Education is supposed to broaden our minds and make our hearts more compassionate heart. We should not cover up or justify past mistakes simply to appease any one community. We need to acknowledge them, learn from them and move forward. It is high time we understand that we need to globalise wisdom.

(The writer is the head of the Art of Living Foundation)

As Muslims we cannot adopt Ramayana or other Hindu scriptures. Although as Muslims we do respect other religions. This does not mean that we start erecting statues of Hindu gods. This goes against our Islamic teachings as there is only One Unseen God.

We are proud of our Islamic heritage!

Islam is a religion and a complete way of life. There are clear rules for every facet of life. This is not the case with Hinduism.

What about YOGA, AYURVEDA ( branch of medicine) or VASTU (Architecture). Would Pakistanis be comfortable practising YOGA, prescribing Ayurvedic medicines, learning Kathak and Bharat Natyam (which have songs praising Lord Krishna) or learning classical music with ragas all based on ancient Indian music system.

Have Pakistanis read Panchtantra, Jataka Tales which were pre-Islamic?

Pakistanis have proud Arab heritage.

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As Muslims we cannot adopt Ramayana or other Hindu scriptures.

We are proud of our Islamic heritage!

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Do you mean you forsake / renounce your ancestors who weren;t muslims?

Secondly, do you think the coming generations will be proud of their 'islamic' heritage that is being created today?

I do Yoga 3 times a week and I absolutely love it. It is nothing more than a healthy form of exercise and strengthening flexibility and overall muscle strength.

Yoga, IMHO, has absolutely no religious significance.

^^ yeah I don't know why some people think it's religious. Mehnaz, do u just do it at home or in a studio? I go to the gym and play tennis, but if I don't do yoga I don't feel so flexible, like you.:)

Please stop this Hindian stuff. Think about Kashmir. Have some shame. :mad:

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^^ yeah I don't know why some people think it's religious. Mehnaz, do u just do it at home or in a studio? I go to the gym and play tennis, but if I don't do yoga I don't feel so flexible, like you.:)
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Karina, I do Power Yoga at the gym with a class. It's fantastic; although I must admit, I still cannot do half of the stuff (I can't do push ups :( ). My upper body is really flexible but my legs are another story altogether. In the beginning, I couldn't even straighten my legs while sitting on the ground (keeping my back straight). I had to keep them slightly bent. I've been doing Pilates and Yoga regularly for about 3 months and, although it is taking lots of time, I am slowly becoming more flexible. I've surprised myself.

I recommend yoga and pilates to everyone, especially those who think these exercises are nothing more than stretching. It's a fantastic way to build strength and get to know your body.

^^ I did a ten class course of pilates long back and actually thought I had grown taller by an inch. Only problem is pilates has to be done in a studio.

Power yoga, it's ashtanga yoga right? what madonna does? I tried it once, it was too fast moving and tough for me. funny isnt it that its my legs which are flexible but my upper body thats stiff. for eg i still cant lean forward and place my head on my knees or ground. wish i had your spine~ :)

I have no idea what kind of yoga I do. It is quite fast-paced. In the beginning, I was completely lost. Like anything else, the more you do it, the quicker you are able to pick it up. I was really surprised at how much you sweat doing yoga.

Pilates is good too. You should check out the pilates videos sold: Stott Pilates. Stott pilates is what they teach in gyms over here. I have the tape for abs. It's quite good but I'm far too lazy to exercise while at home.

I have the tape and the book - the author's Lyn something. Never opened it even once - and yeah it's because it's full of ab toning. Most boring. Make me do anything else but not abs! lol

yes it is really shameful that kashmir is brought in everywhere. take a break man. this discussion is in no way related to kshmir. it is a fact that the things being mentioned here (yoga, vedas etc) are as much a part of your heritage as they are part of india’s.

is arab culture a part of pakistan’s heritage? even iran is not “arab”. are indonesians not muslim?

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yes it is really shameful that kashmir is brought in everywhere. take a break man. this discussion is in no way related to kshmir. it is a fact that the things being mentioned here (yoga, vedas etc) are as much a part of your heritage as they are part of india's.

is arab culture a part of pakistan's heritage? even iran is not "arab". are indonesians not muslim?

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dude he's being completely sarcastic. now if say armughal said the same thing he'd be serious.

I'm taking a Literature of India class to fulfill an elective requirement. We read part of Ramayana, and are now reading Mahabharata. Interesting epics :-)

I don't feel any less of a Pakistani while taking this course and reading these epics.

Re: Should Pakistanis have a pride in Vedas, Yoga, Ramayana etc?

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*Originally posted by Marathi Maanus: *
Should Pakistanis take pride in Indian culture which they would have owned prior to 1947 or pre-Islam like Ayurveda, Yoga, Vedas, Indian Classical music and dance, Ramayana, Bhagwad Gita or Mahabharata.

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It's not a matter of should we take pride in these things, rather there shouldn't be irrational hatred of them either. Not that there is in reality. Pakistani weddings still have many of the old customs mixed in with the muslim rituals, and it's pretty much the case through all aspects of society. The fact is both India and Pakistan aren't that much different to anywhere else. There is an underlying cultural heritage which has taken on and developed with lots of new influences from outside, whether it's Arabic, Chinese, or in sweetpie's case, Greek.

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It's not a matter of should we take pride in these things, rather there shouldn't be irrational hatred of them either.
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Yup!