If you do not know what Sulah a Hudabia is then visit this link:
Our Holy Prophet(SAW) made this pact with an enemy which was many times bigger in size and strength on apparently very humiliating terms but in the end this pact provided Muslims many years of peace which gave them time and resources to spreading their faith and the model city of Madina became Hub of Islam and droves of people came to pledge allegiance to our Holy Prophet(SAW).
I am not saying that making a pact with India modeled on Hudaybiyyah will result in Pakistan ruling India in the end. It should not be our goal either. But I am saying it will provide us a chance to use our resources to curb poverty , illiteracy , diseases and develop our infrastructure. Build new dams , power generating stations , railway , roads , schools and hospitals. If we become a developed nation with resources , strong economy then people will listen to us as they listen to Israel , France , Germany which are tiny countries with big economies.
As for Kashmiris we are not abandoning them our hearts and minds will always be with them as they are right now with Palestinians , Biharies stranded in Bangladesh and Muslim minorities being oppressed in other parts of the world.
Same can be suggested for Palestinians who have more support for them on the international level than Pakistan has for Kashmir issue.
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Well hudabia wont be hdebia if zardai was there!
system or ideas can only be as good as ppl implementing them, if we(pakis) havent learnd it yet, we will never learn it.
We need to get priorities straight. Pray for PPP to go to hell.
ONLY then we should start thinking about serious matters.
Re: Should Pakistan adopt Sulah-a-Hudaybiyyah model for Kashmir issue ?
Well hudabia wont be hdebia if zardai was there!
system or ideas can only be as good as ppl implementing them, if we(pakis) havent learnd it yet, we will never learn it.
We need to get priorities straight. Pray for PPP to go to hell.
ONLY then we should start thinking about serious matters.
what may be the likely stand of islamic orthodox parties ,who called for zihad to free kashmir muslims from hindus? can they accept it?
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If you do not know what Sulah a Hudabia is then visit this link:
You are comparing apples with oranges. Sulah Hudabia was not like Kashmir dispute. Mecca was sacred city where Prophet Muhammad and his followers were driven out by Quresh. Quresh allowed followers of Prophet to visit Kaba every year on certain conditions. Accepting these conditions Muslims and followers of Prophet visited Kaba next year, small gatherings converted into one huge gathering who ultimately took over the city of Mecca. Hazrat Bilal Hubshi was the one who gave first aazan on the roof of kaba. I don't know how you compare this with Kashmir dispute? I just don't get it.
Accepting the conditions by Pakistan means Pakistan should surrender its claim on Kashmir. Once it is done, the Kashmir dispute will be resolved and it will become atoot ang of Bharat, whose leaders were dreaming for this many years.
As regard pious leader, who is pious leader like Prophet Mohmmad in Pakistan? Zardari is already declared sinner by few pious here:), remaining leaders are NS, AH, play boy IK, Mulana Fazal of JUI etc etc Another stupid and retard reasoning without knowing what Sulah Hudabia was.
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Um....but we lack a leader. Lets find a sincere leader first, realistic pacts and implementation will follow shortly thereafter.
There have been sincere leaders in the past, there are many now and will be there to lead the nation to the right path but we are not ready to make the sacrifices these leaders ask for, we have been looking for some easy way out or wish to keep the status quo .
Re: Should Pakistan adopt Sulah-a-Hudaybiyyah model for Kashmir issue ?
You are comparing apples with oranges. Sulah Hudabia was not like Kashmir dispute. Mecca was sacred city where Prophet Muhammad and his followers were driven out by Quresh. Quresh allowed followers of Prophet to visit Kaba every year on certain conditions. Accepting these conditions Muslims and followers of Prophet visited Kaba next year, small gatherings converted into one huge gathering who ultimately took over the city of Mecca. Hazrat Bilal Hubshi was the one who gave first aazan on the roof of kaba. I don't know how you compare this with Kashmir dispute? I just don't get it.
Sunnat a Rasool (SAW) is there for us to follow and to help us resolve our issues which are similar in nature. Our brothers and sisters in Kashmir are facing the same conditions as our brothers and sisters , mothers and fathers of Makkah were facing , in fact they were living under worse conditions.
Accepting the conditions by Pakistan means Pakistan should surrender its claim on Kashmir. Once it is done, the Kashmir dispute will be resolved and it will become atoot ang of Bharat, whose leaders were dreaming for this many years.
Pakistan or India do not have an official claim on Kashmir , Pakistan's official stance is that people of Kashmir should be given the right of self determination through a plebiscite as agreed by Pakistan and India in UN.
Leaders of Mecca were dreaming same but Allah(SWT) turned Sulah a Hudaybbiah into a fatah mobeen.
Many scenarios can be drawn as to how sulah a hudaybiah kind of pact may be a boon for Pakistan and people of Kashmir.
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Just give Kashmiri a free land - where they can live according to their will ... Being the part of India or Pakistan should be left on their discretion ..
Re: Should Pakistan adopt Sulah-a-Hudaybiyyah model for Kashmir issue ?
Just give Kashmiri a free land - where they can live according to their will ... Being the part of India or Pakistan should be left on their discretion ..
But this bitter pill is very hard to be digested by those who says 'Kashmir Banega Pakistan' in Pakistan and 'Kashmir Bharat ka atoot Angg hai' on Indian side.
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But this bitter pill is very hard to be digested by those **who says 'Kashmir Banega Pakistan' **in Pakistan and 'Kashmir Bharat ka atoot Angg hai' on Indian side.
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I am agreed with Mirch a peace treaty is so benficiall for Pakistan to cut the heat on borders and cutting in defence budget make us a lot of things to do we are not doing now!! but its not possible becoz ISI and military dont want it, the reasons hhmm losing pocket money and jehadies groups become orphan.
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And who will cut the treaty? Zardari? first thing he will ask is, "what is in there for me"?
Only a stronger and stable Pakistan can solve the dispute of Kashmir, in terms of topic of the thread, Pakistan have a status-quo of Kashmir, freeze the issue for next 10-20 years, gain the economic strength, gain more international support and then raise the Kashmir issue...
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Lets give occupied Kashmir to India, with the money we save from pumping into army for this conflict lets create jobs and pump up economy then have special quotas for IoK people then they will fight India to get freedom :D
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I always feel the same. A man (or a country) who can barely walk cannot take the burden of anyone else or both will perish. There is no place of emotion in diplomacy and we are the most emotionally diplomatic people on the earth. When Baluch ask for independent we call them traitors but we are ready to die for Kashmir freedom. In fact, we have been programmed to do so by our system. We have stopped thinking rationally. Are Indians fool that they will give us (or freedom to) Kashmir if we cry of human right violation but conveniently ignore the same in our own land? Our probelm is that we are ready to take the pain of all the Ummat but irgnore our own miseries. Our two generation died dreaming of sepeating Kashmir from India without sucess. Rationally thinking, if we try to partioned our negioughbours, on one pretex or other. India is also doing the same. We are fools to do it openly. Indians are smarter, they do it secretly and try to strengthen its realtion with contempreory world powers. When USSR was breaking, India dumped its old allay and lapped US. And for all of us, Kashmir's are not our friends; Paksitanis are. The only thing that most of us want is to revenge the creation of Bangladesh by getting Kashmir into Paksitan. No matter how emotion we get, our effort will be fruitless as we are not strong. Kamjoro ke dua khuda bhi nahi sunta. We should first try to strengthen our economy and then can think of muslims of the world. *Gas khakar koi be kaum jang nahi jeet sakti. *
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I have a question to all those who think pakistan can ask for kashmir once you strengthen economy.
what happens when india too strengthens it's economy which it is doing now,will only get better.
i have anything agains't people who live in valley(separatists not everyone) but don't expect people from ladakh and jammu for freedom which occupies bulk of jammu and kashmir.
thank you for trolling