Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

[SlaveofAllaah]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

I never disagreed that it was the Muslim belief. Just as it is the belief of many Christians that Christianity was the first religion. But one must be Muslim or Christian to hold that point of view. It is not supported by science or history.

I think this point, is wrongly stated

1) Hindus scriptures monotheism is mentioned but also include pantheism, monism brancehd out over a period of time, so if stated by many of my hindu friends out here if hinduism is supposedly the oldes religion and i apply the concordist rule the concept of monotheism was mentioned here too.So it no whre applies to christians and muslims, and if hindus disagree to this fact they reject there own sacred scriptures.

2) Judaism clearly mentioned in shema, ten commandments and old testament and deutronomy chapter they believed in true God similar to the statements we find in the Quran so for sure monotheism existed amongts the Jews too.

3) Christians you have agreed upon that and amongst the Muslims its unambigous about the concept of the Monotheism.

4) Zoroastriansm is the only religion which believed in two Gods one good and the other evil.

But throughout the concept of monotheism existed and logically speaking these things cannot be denied. For a normal human intellect these things cannot appear without any thought as these things are abstract unless stated or known to someone, i feel this is the natural disposition of any human being.

Before any language existed in this world, or new languages coming up the word God preceded these languages always, a reference would be a washing machine where this had to happen after the language english had to come or borrowed from any root word but not the word of God.

Exactly as stated by USR in any human civilization past, present and future the concept of God existed or it was taught by Almighty God otherwise the attributes of God in each and every sacred scripture cannot be conjecturized and documented as done by theologists today.

Before concluding, i will give you a refernce in a dense forest the tribals believed in Supreme God, who created heavens and the earth now who the hell on earth went there for the past 1000 years, and supposedly they have been believing in the concept of Monotheism according to the report since there ancestors.

[USResident]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

I never disagreed that it was the Muslim belief. Just as it is the belief of many Christians that Christianity was the first religion. But one must be Muslim or Christian to hold that point of view. It is not supported by science or history.

As pointed out by SOA, scriptures of other religions also support monotheism whatever form it may have taken in their practices though nowadays.

History goes hand in hand with religions so I would say history does not support Monotheism. We were discussing the worlds oldest religion after all, so that is under the context of history.

Science relies mostly on facts and finds and does not leverage historical evidence but what is conslusive. However the most brilliant scientists who have studied the creation of the universe even come to the conclusion that this universe has a creator whether they disguise there answer with whatever scientific phenomenon they want it ultimately states what religions have said in simple terms i.e. there is someone unique out there which has all power and glory, enough to be believed as non-comprable to anyone or anything else or MONO in its existence, power and control. The creator of all creation we know about.

[USResident]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

ISLAM shd not be spread by sword................we shd spread by luring ppl by tempting them with sexual greed, like the 72 virgins story...... WHAT say guys...the best and the most peaceful way to sell Islam to the west !!

Are you willing to wait that long?

[ssingh]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

I have a different view than all of you.

Islam should only be spread in 3rd world countries.

1st world countries should remain christian and white.

There has to be some place in this world where I can go and I dont have to see bearded mullahs

:D .....so when are u converting to christianity?

[Dushwari]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

this post is biased.
Islam is not spread by killing.

If anything, Islam is peace and peaceful.
Your reading utterly lacks the truth behind Islam.
dushwari

[Seminole]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

As pointed out by SOA, scriptures of other religions also support monotheism whatever form it may have taken in their practices though nowadays.

History goes hand in hand with religions so I would say history does not support Monotheism. We were discussing the worlds oldest religion after all, so that is under the context of history.

Science relies mostly on facts and finds and does not leverage historical evidence but what is conslusive. However the most brilliant scientists who have studied the creation of the universe even come to the conclusion that this universe has a creator whether they disguise there answer with whatever scientific phenomenon they want it ultimately states what religions have said in simple terms i.e. there is someone unique out there which has all power and glory, enough to be believed as non-comprable to anyone or anything else or MONO in its existence, power and control. The creator of all creation we know about.

I would love to read some of the work of the "most brilliant scientists" who believe "there is someone unique out there who has all the power and glory" if you can provide any references or links.

The practice of religious rituals go back tens of thousands of years when early man worshipped snakes. There is no evidence whatsover that monotheism was the earliest of religious practices. And even if monotheism did predate other types of religious practices, it is impossible to find the type of culture 'required by' Islam to label it as such. If not, then Judiasm would be considered a subset to Islam today.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

But don't Muslims believe that the message was always there but it was corrupted by man?

Yes, and that goes in conjunction with my statements.

And yeah, its what muslims believe. We're not saying science or evidence from history supports it. But then that's why this is a religion forum, not a science forum.

[Lajawab]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

Islam spreading by the sword has been dispelled as a myth...Only in a country like India can you expect such a statement to hold as true...

Maybe the letter itself was written by a Hindu to malign Muslims...People do know how to write, you know...How many has a love letter been written by a friend without the friend being the wiser...

[hareem01]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

I have a different view than all of you.

Islam should only be spread in 3rd world countries.

1st world countries should remain** christian and white**.

Are you a Christian or a white?

There has to be some place in this world where I can go and I dont have to see bearded mullahs

Look at that...And People say bearded muslims are intolerant.................or may be you are a beardless extremist and the worst example of beardless muslims.

[SlaveofAllaah]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

I would love to read some of the work of the "most brilliant scientists" who believe "there is someone unique out there who has all the power and glory" if you can provide any references or links.

The practice of religious rituals go back tens of thousands of years when early man worshipped snakes. There is no evidence whatsover that monotheism was the earliest of religious practices. And even if monotheism did predate other types of religious practices, it is impossible to find the type of culture 'required by' Islam to label it as such. If not, then Judiasm would be considered a subset to Islam today.

Semi read you post once again visit other history p ages i would say brittannica is the best you can find online and then some libraries will give you a better picture.

[ssingh]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

Islam spreading by the sword has been dispelled as a myth...Only in a country like India can you expect such a statement to hold as true...

Maybe the letter itself was written by a Hindu to malign Muslims...People do know how to write, you know...How many has a love letter been written by a friend without the friend being the wiser...

what you call myth, can be easily proved wrong with evidence, which again you might dispel it as myth. your argument of muslims ruling subcontinent for hundreds of years, but inspite of it not all people not becoming muslims logic, can be proved wrong if you look at history from different context.

all hindus in indonesia embraced islam not forcefully but willfully. Nobody forced them.
all people in thailand embraced buddhism and nobody forced them. Infact buddhism spread in most of the cases peacefull whether it is japan, korea, china, cambodia or whereever it is, people embraced it without any resistance.

Only in india people didn't embrace islam completely, but in other places like indonesia they did it means there must be something different over here, though some did embrace islam peacefully in india also. People might have hated islam or muslims due to some reason, so they didn't get closer to it perhaps. It can be seen from this perspective also!....In reality also it proves that whereever any belief is followed completely, whether it is indonesia, japan, korea, taiwan, or other places, that belief spread peacefully over there, atleast in eastern part of the world.

P.S: such statements are found in other countries and not just india.

[Matrubhoomi]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

^ Man you are comparing spread of Buddhism with Islam....it's like comparing Mother Terresa with Britney Spears....Really two different thoughts with exactly opposite nature when it comes to violence.

Just before a highly "enlightened" poster has posted a verse from Quran quoting that Stoning is justified in some other thread....that itself is enough to guage how Islam differes from all other in nature, in propagation and in ritual.

[mercenary2k]

Re: Should Islam be spread “By Sword”?

@hareem01

Are you a Christian or a white?

but since i am here, i dont anyone else to be here

Look at that…And People say bearded muslims are intolerant…or may be you are a beardless extremist and the worst example of beardless muslims.
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well i hate facial hair

nothing is more refreshing than a nice shave

[ssingh]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

^ Man you are comparing spread of Buddhism with Islam....it's like comparing Mother Terresa with Britney Spears....Really two different thoughts with exactly opposite nature when it comes to violence.

The topic was about islam spreading by sword!....and not about describing which religion is what!. So my comparison to the topic holds good and correct

[Matrubhoomi]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

The topic was about islam spreading by sword!....and not about describing which religion is what!. So my comparison to the topic holds good and correct

Yep, I agree about the topic in hand....I said beacuse the thoughts and beliefs in a religion do affect the way it is propagated by it's followers.

[hareem01]

Re: Should Islam be spread “By Sword”?

@mercenary2k

but since i am here, i dont anyone else to be here

this doesn’t make any sense…so you don’t like when a non muslim declare shahada and follow the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad(SAW)?

@mercenary2k

well i hate facial hair

nothing is more refreshing than a nice shave

So you are an extremist. A Hater.

[mercenary2k]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

this doesn't make any sense...so you don't like when a non muslim declare shahada and follow the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad(SAW)?

Oh Bhai.....

I want a tolerant and moderate version of Islam to be in the West. When I go to Europe like London and Paris and see some neighbourhoods which are more extremist and more conservative than many neighbourhoods in Pakistan and other places where they do honor killings, and nurture extremism.

So you are an extremist. A Hater.

No I just dont like Facial Hair and I dont know why so many Desis have facial hair

[hareem01]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

Oh Bhai.....

I want a tolerant and moderate version of Islam to be in the West. When I go to Europe like London and Paris and see some neighbourhoods which are more extremist and more conservative than many neighbourhoods in Pakistan and other places where they do honor killings, and nurture extremism.

O behan.....

Go to Pakistan for a moderate version of Islam.

No I just dont like Facial Hair and I dont know why so many Desis have facial hair

Nahi like kertay to na karo.........per jo like kerte hain ...why are you after them?

[mercenary2k]

Re: Should Islam be spread “By Sword”?

@hareem01

O behan…

Go to Pakistan for a moderate version of Islam.

[USResident]

Re: Should Islam be spread "By Sword"?

^ Man you are comparing spread of Buddhism with Islam....it's like comparing Mother Terresa with Britney Spears....Really two different thoughts with exactly opposite nature when it comes to violence.

Just before a highly "enlightened" poster has posted a verse from Quran quoting that Stoning is justified in some other thread....that itself is enough to guage how Islam differes from all other in nature, in propagation and in ritual.

Man do you ever finish off your threads. I am waiting for replies from you in two threads.