Should Iran be attacked?

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Here is the thing...

Nuclear weapons should only be possessed by those countries that either exert world power and economic power or have grave national security risks.

For world powers that includes USA, Russia, France, England

And economic powers China and India

For countries for self defense needs that includes Israel and Pakistan

Iran is neither a world or economic power nor does it have grave national security risks.

Was there a threat of a US invasion before Iran started making nukes?

Was there international condemnation to Iran before Iran's lunatic president starting throwing out stupid statements about Israel and Jews...?

Iran is a menace, Iran is a terrorist sponsoring nation

I would have no quams if worse comes to worse and USA uses military force to disarm Iran of nuclear weapons...

Israel did it with Iraq...

Imagine Iraq invading Kuwait in 1991 with nuclear weapons...

Or firing them at Israel and provoking an equally devastating response that would make the middle east a nuclear wasteland

Irresponsible nations like Iran cannot be trusted with Nuclear Weapons...

Militant elemnts in these regimes can give nukes to terrorists and they can fire at Israel and other nations...

This is not something I am going to accept..

Whether you Mr. Prince Abbas like it or not

Re: Should Iran be attacked?

This is an issue about Iran and not USA. So stick to the discussion at hand or do you have a hard time understanding that concept, Jihadi Madrassa bred Prince Abbas.

There is all the proof that Iran is making Nuclear Weapons. How can Iran wipe Israel off the map without nuclear weapons?

Why is Iran being so restrictive to show what it is doing in its Nuclear Plants?

You maybe naive enough to beleive that Iran's nuclear ambition is for peaceful purposes but I am not

but I guess thats what you get with a madrassa education.

by the way its friday, shouldn't you be shouting "Death to the Jews"?

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YES! There was. Iran and US never got along, they have been hostile to each other atleast for more than 25 years. Before US took over Iraq, Bush had regarded Iraq, Iran, NK as axis of evil. Now one element of that axis (Iraq) is down and sitting right next to Iran, do you think Iran will feel safe?

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Iran is a menace, Iran is a terrorist sponsoring nation
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Iran is just as terrorist sponsoring as is Pakistan, I see no difference.

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Well Pakistan funds freedom movements in Kashmir and does not advocate bombing of buses and buildings in India

where as Hezbollah and Hamas, thats their mantra

thats the difference

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Simple answer.......No. No one has right to invade any country...
TC......

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Look! for Maulanas it may be a joke to live in this world. However for the rest of us, it is a serious business. Until 9/11 nobody gave a damn to what a beardo may say or do. We all thought they are kind of goofball, kind of funny, kind of tribal, but still they won't try shooting in their own foot. Well that fateful day changed the image of those goofballs to silly-and-dangerous-goofballs.

We allowed Talibanic disease to fester in Afghanistan, and we allowed Sudanese Mullahs to wreck killing in Darfur. However post 9/11 world is that if a Mullah raises a fist or issues a fat-fat-fatwa, just go take him and transfer him to GITMO.

European nutcases didn't have as much luxury in the post WWII world. See how Milosevic got the royal treatment in the form of @rse whooping. That nutcase's death in a jail cell should be a good lesson to the Iranian Maulanas. However these Mullahs refuse to listen.

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Umm, really?
Two neighboring contiguous countries, Iraq and Afghanistan, were invaded by a mighty superpower which has recently had a dramatic paradigm shift in foreign policy from cold war containment and nuclear deterrence to pre-emptive nuclear strikes against any nation that opposes it (Take a listen to Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech from 2002 to refresh memory).

I live in the US and do not wish for Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon, but to say that Iran is miscalcualting its national security risks is moronic at best.

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Good shabash! Encourage Iranian Mullahs to continue. Once they all end up in GITMO, we'll need you to represent them in the terror trials. OK!

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Pray to Allah, that Iran is not attacked just like Iraq, Afghanistan and many others. Countless lives have been lost.

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LOL.

Antiobl, u r one funny guy:)

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The reason “Kashmiri separatists” mainly operate in Kashmir is because “Pakistan” doesn’t want whole of India but just the Kashmir part, even though many incidents have been blamed on Kashmir separatists/Pakistan way outside that region. They have murdered “civilians” and what not. They only differ “slightly” in methodology, but overall they do the same as Palestinians do i.e. fight for getting the area/independence etc.

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no they differ huge in methodology

they don't target civilians on purpose

their main aim is to target indian troops

but in the case of Hamas, they plant nails, and other sharp objects so that the bomb causes even more harm

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Just like everyone around the world, those Palestinians have a “justification” for that too which I’m sure you’ll disagree with since you are anti them, those separatists in Kashmir would not damage their “own” civilians, would they? If they did wouldn’t the locals turn against them?

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Basically, The Kashmiris fight the Indian Army..

Hamas and others don't fight the Israeli Army but send suicide bombers and fire rockets at Israeli civilians..

If Hamas and other palestinian groups had any brains, instead of targetting Israeli civilians in a campaign that potrays them as evil beasts, shifts Israeli public to the extreme right that Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon get elected...

instead only target Israeli soldiers, it will show the world, that these groups are not fighting out to wipe out israel but instead fighting so they can create their homeland and israeli public will shift to the left just like they did during the Southern Lebanon occupation in which Hezbollah mainly targetted the Israeli Army changing the Israeli viewpoint enough so that Ehud Barak withdrew from Southern Lebanon without much opposition...

but alas, Hamas and others don't have one iota of a brain to understand this

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Reading comprehension really isn't your forte, is it? One more time, and this time more S-L-O-W-L-Y," Bush and his foreign policy are providing the main impetus for these crazy eye-ranians to continue with this madness."

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I believe we are going in the circles again so I’ll stop here rather than tell why Kashmiris fight army :slight_smile:

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Another Kerry-the-loser-supporter from America!

Iranican Mullahs have been at it for almost 15+ years. Blaming Bush is just a sorry excuse.

As I said, continue supporting Iranian Mullahs, until they end up in GITMO. Then start writing articles wondering and complaining why these Mullahs don't get a prayer rug in the cell.

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An excellent article on the situation:

We may have to bomb Iran

                        Rod Liddle
                                                                                                                                                            Natanz seems an agreeable little town, perched nearly 5,000ft up in the majestic mountains of central Iran, full of dusty relics of Alexander the Great and black-clad peasants scurrying hither and thither. It is a shame, then, that we may soon be obliged to bomb it to smithereens. An even bigger shame, though, if we don’t. Natanz is where the Iranians are carrying out their hectic uranium enrichment programme — something they were politely requested to stop doing by the International Atomic Energy Agency one month ago. The deadline for them to pack up their thousands of centrifuges passed on Friday — but they are still beavering away and have expressed a marked reluctance to take the slightest notice of the international community. There doesn’t seem to be much doubt that their intention is to produce nuclear weapons; a handful every year, perhaps. The Natanz facility is partially underground, a fact that provoked the IAEA inspectors to note, rather drily, that this was “inconsistent” with the Iranian claims that the plant was solely for the purpose of manufacturing mildly enriched uranium for benignly commercial purposes. 

Equally anomalous to this defence is the fact that those same inspectors found particles of extremely enriched uranium at Natanz, the sort of stuff you need to make atomic bombs. Presented with this evidence, the Iranians shuffled their feet a little, looked at the ground and then announced that maybe they hadn’t washed the equipment thoroughly when they bought it from the Pakistanis and consequently there was still the odd bit of weapons-grade material kicking around, sorry about that, you know how it is, can’t get the help, etc.
You can believe them if you wish. It would be a kinder, happier world if we were all able to trust one another. But my suspicion is that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s president, who has expressed a desire to see Israel wiped from the face of the world, may soon have the wherewithal. A suspicion supported with physical evidence and a statement of malevolent intent. What more evidence do you need? An awful lot more, as far as the international community is concerned. Paralysis has descended since the invasion of Iraq and it afflicts not just the United Nations and the European Union but western public opinion, too. So ill-judged and catastrophic was the Anglo-US adventure against Saddam Hussein that it has warped our ability to think rationally about what to do with Iran. Opposition to pre-emptive military action against Iran will be deafening.
The war against Iraq was predicated upon two misconceptions — first of all that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction. He did not. His hopeless army possessed scarcely any weapons at all. But even allowing for hindsight, the term “weapons of mass destruction” in Saddam’s case referred only to chemical and biological weapons — which, although thoroughly nasty, are a politically inspired misnomer. It is nukes that inflict genuine mass destruction and there was never a suggestion that Saddam had any of those.
The difference with any action against Iran is stark: hard evidence of genuine WMD in preparation; hard, stated evidence of intent. And a clearly defined, containable and comparatively attainable military objective — knocking out that enrichment site at Natanz.
I have debated this issue with numerous British politicians, from Tony Benn on the left to Steven Norris on the right, and the result is always the same. “We must negotiate with the Iranians,” they all say, a mantra, a form of whistling in the dark.
Well, of course we must first negotiate. Of course we must, later, bring whatever pressure we can to bear from supra-national organisations such as the UN. We should beg, bully, plead and cajole the medieval Ahmadinejad. We should offer economic incentives. When these do not work, we should impose sanctions. We should bar the Iranian team from the World Cup and refuse them entry to the Eurovision song contest — that’ll teach ’em. But what on earth do we do when all that fails, as it looks as though it will? Faced with that probability, there is just silence from the politicians: the question is never answered.
Never mind such niceties as verifying Iran’s nuclear aims: there is still a large tranche of the western world that believes with bovine obduracy that because we and the Americans and the French and the Israelis have nukes, why shouldn’t poor old Third World Iran? Fair play to the burka boys, don’t you think? The answer is simple and yet — in some quarters — quite unsayable: because it is Iran.
There is a final irony: the war against Iraq may have been at least partially responsible for the election next door of a primitive fundamentalist from the Dark Ages. So, too, the commitment within the country to continue enriching uranium, regardless of how unhappy it might make the imperialistic western powers.
One way or another we will need to get to grips with Natanz quite soon. I may not want to live in a world with nuclear weapons — but I really don’t want to live in a world where Iran has nuclear weapons.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,24393-2157918,00.html

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So antiobl could not disprove what dope originally said. It is fu**ed up American foreign policy which is mainly responsible for this mess. Just look at what Americans did to Afghanistan after Russians left, or their illegal attack on Iraq.

This is certainly not “Kerry-the-loser” stuff, but hard facts. And this is why Americans are disliked/hated everywhere in the world, including Europe.

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The American government may be disliked but not the American people who in my opinion are the kindest and friendliest people in the world...