Shocking attitudes towards rape

in South Africa

Shocking Attitudes To Rape In South Africa

Sky News went to a township near Johannesburg to do our own impromptu survey asking men whether they had ever forced a woman to have sex.
Their answers are extraordinarily candid and shocking.The most graphic content has been removed but those likely to be offended by such material should not read on.
Here are their responses:
Respondent number one - aged 34
Q: Did you have sex with a woman who didn’t want to?
A: Yes
Q: When was it?
A: 2011
Q: Would you call it rape?
A: Yes
Q: How many times have you raped someone?
A: Twice
Q: How did it happen?
A: We were having some beers in a tavern and I spent (money on) the lady but when (the) time arrived (to) go she refused. I had to use manpower to take her with me. We never got to my place so I decided to rape her. The second time it was the same woman again, we met at a shebeen and we had beers together, when she decided to leave the place I escorted her and along the way I raped her.
Q: Did she report the case?
A: No.
Q: Do you know why?
A: She told me that though I raped her what she has I now also have it.
Q: What did she mean by that?
A: She meant she was HIV positive.
Respondent number four - age not given
Q: Have you ever had sex with a woman who didn’t want to?
A: Yes
Q: How did it happen?
A: The woman always asked me for (a) cool drink or money for transport. I did give her (these things) many times. When I needed her to sleep with me she always came up with excuses. (In) January this year I met her on the street when I was coming from the nearby shop holding plastic (bags) with groceries. I decided to invite her to my place, she came over and when I needed sex she said, ‘not today, next time’. I didn’t buy the story. I overpowered and raped her.
Q: Did she open a case after that?
A: Yes.
Q: Did they arrest you?
A: Yes, the following day.
Q: Have you served time for the rape?
A: I (awaited) trial for six months. My brother bought the docket from the (prosecuting authorities) for R5000 (£321) and the case was (thrown out).
Respondent number six - aged 24
Q: Have you ever had sex with a woman who didn’t want to?
A: Yes.
Q: How did it happen?
A: We watched (a) game of soccer together at my place at night while her parents had gone out. I bought some ciders. I knew she liked them, and we drunk together. In the middle of the game I (raped her).
Q: Did she open a case against you?
A: No!
Q: Why not?
A: I think she just got scared of her parents and avoided the embarrassment.
Q: Have you apologised to her to see if she had animosity towards you after the rape?
A: I tried but she didn’t want to talk to me.
Q: How do you feel that you did such a thing to your neighbour?
A: I feel great because she is a nice woman to have (slept) with even though (it was) against her will.
Respondent number seven - aged 39
Q: How old was your victim?
A: 21.
Q: Was this the first time?
A: Yes.
Q: How did it happen?
A: (There) were five of us who went out on (a) Friday night (in) 2011. We did a house arrest, three of us got into the house of a white man demanding (he) open up his safe of money. He refused so we used a hot iron to get him to open the safe. The moment we were still busy teasing him our two accomplices came in with his wife who didn’t know that there was a robbery in progress at her house. She was … raped … repeatedly. We left the scene with jewellery and cash plus a cellphone.
Q: Was anyone arrested for this crime?
A: No
Q: Do you still do crime?
A: When (I get) a nice tip-off.
Respondent number eight - aged 39
Q: Have you ever had sex with a woman who didn’t want to?
A: Yes
Q: How did it happen?
A: My ex-girlfriend’s sister lived with us in the same shack and when (I was) off her sister would be at work, so we watched TV together. I asked and promised to buy her expensive shoes if she slept with me. She refused and I forced myself on her and told her that if she talked about it I would chase both her (and) her sister, so she kept quiet.
Q: How do you feel whenever you see her after you did this?
A: I feel nothing bad about it.
Q: Why not?
A: I supported her at my place and I deserved to ask for a favour too.
Q: Do you call it rape?
A: No.
Q: But you forced yourself on her?
A: Yes.
Respondent number 11 - aged 26
Q: Have you ever had sex with a woman who didn’t want to?
A: Yes.
Q: When?
A: 2013.
Q: How did happen?
A: We are a gang and we steal and rape women. This year (in) February we went out, seven of us, to a busy tavern to rob people on the street and rape women. At about 12pm the woman walked out of the tavern alone going to an outside toilet. We followed her, three of us, and raped her.
Q: What happened after the rape?
A: We moved out of the area for a while but until now nothing has ever happened to us.
Q: Were you doing it for the first time?
A: No.
Q: What do you think about what you do to women?
A: We are gangsters and we love it.
Q: Don’t you think you could be caught and thrown in jail?
A: We aren’t afraid of prison.
Respondent number 12 - aged 34
Q: Have you ever slept with a woman who didn’t want to?
A: Yes
Q: When did it happen?
A: 2000
Q: How did it happen?
A: Fridays we went out to chill and drink some beers … after hours me and my friend we saw a young good-looking woman who was drunk on the street, we took her to our place and (raped) her in our shack for an hour. This became a habit and every Friday we made sure that we hung on at the tavern to pick up girls who were drinking after hours.
Q: How many times have you raped a woman?
A: Five times.
Q: Have you ever been arrested for any rape?
A: Once.
Q: Did you serve time for it?
A: Yes.
Q: How long?
A: Six years.
Q: Do you think it’s the right thing to do?
A: Why do women go to taverns in mini-skirts?
Q: What do you think they want?
A: To be raped.

Sick. Vermin like this deserves to put away or be done with forever

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There is a documentary on VICE about Liberia…" The Canibal Warlords of Liberia"

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Yep seen that, shocking too

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Thats why HIV ratio is very high in Africa too!

Really shocking and saddening

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No wonder they came up with the anti-rape condom!

That is just chilling!

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What measures should they put in place to counteract that attitude?

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Improving the justice system and putting them in jail for a start!

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see, i think improving the justice system may be a step toward the right direction but one of the guys spent six years inside and still had no remorse. retribution and detainment can only work for so long. recidivism rates are usually high in such cases too. i think it’s more about educating them. having a stronger and harsher attitude against rape and respecting women/themselves.

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actually i’ve changed my mind about answering the question in a normal way, let’s just castrate the little pricks :phati:

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^ I so want to make a lame joke about the little pricks. must.refrain.

They have the law in place but the follow through is rubbish. If they overhauled the police procedures then it might encourage more of the victims to report the crime. Ideally, the more victims report the crime, the better the police get at dealing with it/taking it seriously.

A few years back there was a similar survey or a report or some such. The numbers, despite the limits of sample size, were equally staggering. There were two viewpoints on the findings. One side insisted that the attitude was down to traditional ideas on African manhood and that the solution was grass roots education and more focus on getting men into employment. The other felt that culture had little to do with it.

Whether culture plays a part in the rape, I can’t comment, but I think it certainly plays a part in the reporting of the rape.

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Thanks for making this topic. It is really shocking how it is like. I’ve heard of a few documentaries on this topic. The rape culture there is toxic and it needs to be tackled.

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The south african equality court had a ruling where apologist like attitudes towards rape is classified as hate speech. The punishment is a monetary fine payable to an organisation acting against rape and gender based violence.

There needs to be harsher punishments, better enforcement, you need to tackle the culture which supports it and victims need to have better support for speaking out.