Shirk in Naats

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No no, Naat is a very good thing. Not all are shirk. Only very few. And Junaid Jamshed's one would be OK, I know. Cause he is Deobandi and they are very careful about it.

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I guess you have to look for the words. If any verse suggests that you are bringing our nabi (saw) to the levels that are only attributes of Allah, then yes, that would be shirk.

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btw wasup with all these religion and scripture issues in A V? :hmmm:

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hmmm, aur agar words samaj mein nahi aa tu phir.kabhi kabhi tu urdu bari mushquil hoti hai

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aur kabhi kabhi asaan lafzon ke maani bohat mushkil bhi hote hain :D

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aur haan "ya nabi salam alika" ju milad mein partae hain...is that ok..cuz i have seen ppl mind.

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thats true too

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Then avoid that naat. its not one of the pillars of islam to listen to a naat, you know :smack:

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i knw i was jst helping same :@:

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lol @ tlk

thanks kali billi u r so sweet :)

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not that sweet jst watch me fighting sumtime :D

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I do agree that some naatein are shirk...I always feel uncomfortable in mehfils where naatein are being read and some lines are so blatantly wrong.

So although I don't believe in and support those naatein; what do we do in situations where we are surrounded by our elders who believe that those very naatein are not shirk? Especially since my family and I read naatein. I don't think all naatein are bad- just some. My issue is, I don't know how to relay this to my mom...my nani taught her to read them, and it's somewhat of a family tradition now.

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I always thought it's just me who feels that way. Yes many natein and qawwaliyan say things that are absolutely SHIRK.

I actually had an argument in one of Milad few days ago where Qari Waheed's Nephew, a good friend of mine was invited. He read a naat and there was a phrase something like "haath mein rozay ki jali aur jabeen unkay qadmon mein".

Now I am positive that sajda is only for Allah, I based my argument on this but people had serious issues with me objecting on this....

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Yes!!! Watch her!!..Now I am growing black hair from the scratches she slashed on my face :chai:

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Well...I heared this story from one of my friends who is also hanfi (since I am hanfi) he said that Naat is a shirk from start. Diye jalana jo hum Hazrat Mohammad Mustafa (PBUH) ki saalgirah per jalatay hain along with dacorating your house is a shirk. Milaad is also a shirk.

And his story was:

800 years passed After our Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him) there was a king named Syad Ali Krokari. The king was a rich and ayeyaash, and wouldnt give cheirty to villagers none what so ever. As villagers were total out numbered muslims and the king wouldnt care about them, they started to turn against him. King got worried and consulted his advisers (wazeers) and they told him that "yeh Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) ke chaheetay hain..aap in ke liye kuch aesa keray ke in ko dikhay ke aap bhi Hazrat Mohammad say utna hi pyar kertay hain jitna ke yeh log" So since Prophet Mohammad's Birthday was coming he started litting diyas, dacorating his palace, and invited everyone from the villege to join to celebrate Prophet's Birthday (That was the first shirk: Our Prophet Hazrat Mohammad Mustafa Peace be upon him, told us not to celebrate his birthday because he was against it, and also it was the same day he passed on to after life)

Moving on. There were naats in that celebration function and milaad also where everyone was reading one sipara per person and willing it to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) (Second and third shirk: Our Prophet never told us to read Naats for him, the only rhyme he loved was when on his Amad in Madeena where everyone was singing one rhyme while drumming dafari.) (Third shirk: Our Prophet said Read / Resite entire Quran for ALLAH and pray for something, because one sipara per person and considering job well done is completely wrong. Besides he never asked and was against someone who read Quran for him but not Allah) There is one naat which is a total shirk. Its called "Salam" where there is this one line saying "utho Huzuur aagye hain" (4th Shirk: King Krokey was the one who was sitting there, suddonly stoodup and told everyone that "Daekho Huzuur aagye" and everyone stood up where we know that our Prophet had passed away)

This tradition came from that time. That is why I would never believe in something like this. Instead of Milaad I would consider resiting Holy Quran for Allah and send duruud to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and then ask something from ALLAH. I would not dacorate my house on Huzuur's barsi/birthday but I will give 25% of my pay check to the Mosque so it can be repaired, give zakaat to less fortunate, or I would slaughter a goat, equal the meat and distribute it in some village where less fortunates live.

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I found this thread very interesting, so thought of giving my point here. Talkh the story you narrated was good, though iam not sure of its authenticity but i fully support and appreciate what you consider.
Anyways i heard a naat long back and was really shocked . I will mention few starting lines which still prick my heart....

Na kaleem ka tasawwur
Na khayaalai Toorai sina
Meri aarzu Mohammed(pbuh)
Meri justaju Madina.......

I felt it has got horrible meaning, and is full of exaggeration...... even the word exaggeration is not correct.... i should say shirk!

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I was trying to search this topic in light of Quraan n sahi hadith n Alhumdulillah i found few....

It is mentioned in Surah Ahzaab verse 56:
Allah and His Angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him and salute him with all respect.

Abu Mas'ud Al-Ansari reported the following account from Bashir ibn Sa'd:
"I asked Prophet (saws) 'O Messenger of Allah (saws), Allah has commanded us to invoke blessings upon you. How should we do it?' The Messenger of Allah (saws) remained silent until we wished we had not asked him. Then he told us to say,
'Allahumma salli 'ala muhammadin wa 'ala ali muhammadin kama sallayta 'ala ali ibrahima, wa barik 'ala muhammadin wa 'ala ali muhammadin kama barakta 'ala ibrahima wa 'ala ali ibrahima; fil 'alamin, innaka hammidum majeed. {Narrated by Muslim}

Man is obviously prone to ignorance and exaggeration; one whom he thinks or believes to be a pious individual, at times he raises them to the status reserved for da Prophets! And one whom he believes to be a Prophet, at times he raises them to the status and rank which is reserved for none but the Incomparable Lord and Creator!

Some naats and nasheeds are indeed good and within the limits, but some ignorant people at times say and manufacture things about the Prophet (saws), which raise him (saws) to the Attributes which belong to Allah(swt) alone. Such naats and nasheeds should be strictly avoided by the believers.