Shirk and bid'ah

As’salaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

This is a topic that has bothered me for a very, very long time. It wasn’t until a couple years ago that I sat back and actually realized how young I was when I first started questioning this topic concerning primarily Pakistanis.

I’m an American by birth, a Pakistani by blood, and alhamdulillah a Muslim by Allah’s Will, subhanahu wa ta’aala. I went through several phases of faith in my life including atheism, agnosticism, contemplated taking up Hinduism, and after some years, certain events occurred which led me back to Islam, true Islam. The only difference was that I decided it this time, not my parents. I discovered an entirely new world of Islam that I would have never otherwise known had I continued to place my faith in my family’s average-Pakistani mentality of culture versus religion.

Lets face it, the average Pakistani family is highly cultured and lightly religious. Wearing a beard and forcing your wife/wives to wear hijab does not mean you’re following the right path. Culture is confused with religion and vice versa. It’s a dangerous mix because although the nation of Pakistan claims to be an Islamic country, in reality, is it? Our Hindu/Indian traditions are confused for Islam and in many instances, conflicts with it.

Palm readings, fortune telling, witch doctors in league with jinn claiming they can heal any sickness, people praying to the shrines of the dead for their blessings, blind faith in pirs to the point where they practically worship them, and that’s just the start of it. But these are all acts of shirk and bid’ah.

So what is shirk? In a nutshell, shirk is an unforgivable act which involves one offering worship to any being/s or any thing/s other than God (including polytheism) – on the topic of forgiveness, I’d like to briefly point out that I have no right to place judgment on anyone and that the decision of who has committed a bad deed is entirely the decision of Allah subhanahu wa ta’aala Himself.

And what’s bid’ah? Simple: an innovation in Islam. When you add unnecessary practices, even if they don’t hurt anyone, and claim it is mandatory in Islam when the Noble Qur’an or the sunnah of the Prophet, sallalahu alaihi wa’sallam, have not stated as such, then it is considered bid’ah and thus haraam. Did you know that by having your palm read or you even inquiring about a fortune telling means that God will not listen to your prayers for 40 days? Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the penalty less severe for deliberately consuming alcohol? That’s what, 30 days? What about our weddings where bid’ah appears to be ever-so common, or when we declare holidays to celebrate our pious ancestors or pirs? Or when Syeds (mind you, I am Syed as well) use the blessed name for the wrong purposes and use it as an authoritative role over others or even have the nerve to say “my son/daughter will only marry another Syed because we’re better than everyone”? That’s NOT Islam! I have gotten into so many debates with my parents over the last couple years discussing this with them. Alhamdulillah, my mother’s been listening little by little but my father has never budged. One last one that most people will never realize: changing your last name (whether you’re a man or a woman) is actually considered haraam, and to do so and claim you must is then considered bid’ah. Do you know why the Arabs use “ibn” or “bint”? Because it implies “son of” or “daughter of” without ever having to actually change their names. Many Pakistani women take up the first names of their husbands as their last names, or even change their last names to match their husbands’, but this is a practice of ancient Paganism as in the times of Babylon. It is forbidden for any Muslim to change their last name as one’s biological father can never be replaced.

Granted, I can continue rambling and go on and on but my frustration stems from the fact that we ironically claim to be of “The Land of the Pure”. Many people in Pakistan don’t even have the proper education to realize what true Islam is, so then what’s the excuse for us Pakistani-Americans? I’m not perfect nor am I a momin. I have a lot of sins I need to repent for and others I am still working on. I’m also not placing judgment on every Pakistani or Pakistani-American, but we’re all smart enough here to be able to realize these are all extremely common events that occur in the daily lives of Pakistanis around the world.

I apologize for the lack of references here as I’m at work and I’ve already spent much time writing (venting :wink: ) this, but I will provide them upon request. I also apologize ahead of time for offending anyone. This is obviously up for discussion.

Wassalaam

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:wsalam: & Peace sandsinjer,

May Almighty Allah puts us all on the right path. Ameen.

This not only happen in Pakistan but in every single country and in between muslims regardless to their ethnicity. I don’t agree with some of your posts about pious person, pir and changing the last name is considered haraam rest agreed.

Now once we are on the right path than it is now our duty to help/guide others but first we have to come the common grounds which are among us. Differences can be discussed later.

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Insh’Allah, ameen.

I agree that these things of course happen in other countries as well, bro, but we were formerly a part of a dominantly Hindu nation. Now, I’m not bashing on Hinduism but their beliefs should not have any place in our own let alone their culture. Islam is a way of life and in itself, incorporates its own culture. The only other Muslim countries where it occurs on such an comparably grand scale would be Indonesia and/or Malaysia.

As far as people not being pious, I should have clarified myself. Many people believe they are pious and in fact, have their hearts set on their love for Islam yet however, many of them still engage in acts of shirk and bid’ah. As far as pirs, I don’t mean to imply that they are all the same, but many of them take money from people and have been known to have been in league with jinn. My family, as well as many friends, from Lahore have shared many stories of such examples. The whole idea of the pir is to establish a teacher-student relationship and take advantage of his close connection with God thereby asking him to pray for you. There is certainly nothing wrong with that because those are the righteous pirs and not the ones I meant to single out. And then many followers of the pirs are at fault as well. Astaghfirullah, many go to their shrines and graves and continue to ask them for their blessings.

About last names, brother there are sahih ahadith discussing this matter. Unfortunately it’s not my opinion (personally if it was, I would have preferred to have my wife use my last name). Did you know that the wives of our prophet Muhammad, sallalahu alaihi wa’sallam, never changed their last names after marriage?

A reference from both sahih Muslim and Bukhaari hadiths:
Whoever knowingly claims to belong to anyone other than his father, Paradise will be denied him.
-(Ahmad, al-Bukhaari, Muslim)

And another interesting and relevant sahih Muslim and Bukhaari hadith:
Not only is it so in this world, but, we will also be called by our father‘s name in the Hereafter as well. The Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said:**“On the Day of Resurrection, each betrayer will have a banner raised beside him, and it will be said, this is the betrayer of So and so, the son of So and so.”
-(Bukhaari, Muslim)

I should reiterate by the way that I don’t have anything against Pakistan at all, but I believe that we being the first country established solely and primarily on the grounds of establishing Islam, have a responsibility to uphold a certain level of quality and leadership to the rest of the Islamic world.

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Peace Sandninger,

Agreed but we can't blame one party b'coz the other party is also guilty as charge. Why pplz just listen/walk behind such pirs blindly. The have brain too why don't they use it.

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Walikum as-salaam,

Absolutely, it's definitely both ways. You know, I have never heard of another country where the people as a whole have as much love for our beloved Rasool, sallalahu alaihi wa'sallam, as Pakistanis. We have so much potential, but unfortunately it's not used. Who knows, insh'Allah one day we'll start making a positive change as a country. Wassalaam.

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Unfortunately a big portion of Pakistan consists of Mushrikeen; but they are mushrikeen out of ignorance, only few are mushrikeen by choice and they are few sectarian molvis. Many uneducated or less educated Muslims worship the dead saints, and they go to shrines and tombs and worship them beside Allah. In order to white wash their crime, they call it wasila, or baraka etc which means they use a name disguise.

A person is mushrik by default because his father was the same, and the father was so because the grandfather was the same..so this shirk is a legacy of such people. Because of this shirk which is prevalent in Pakistan and India etc, all Muslims of these countries are cursed by Allah, they are disgraced in the whole world. Because Allah never forgives the mushrikeen!

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[quote=““Sonador””]

How does this make any sense whatsoever? Allah does not punish any being for the crimes of another! He is Aadil-e-mutlaq!

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Peace Sonador,

They are 'misguided' and isn't our duty to try our best to bring them back on the right path. :)

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Peace Sand,

U picked up the topic which is very close to my heart. I m a hindu by birth, believe in tawheed, even recite kalima.

U said that shirk is an unforgivable act, holy quran testifies it too. But this invites a humble question, will ALLAH punish those hindus with hellfire who are hell bent on commiting shirk? I have no problem in accepting that hindus are champions of shirk, and will remain till eternity unless ALLAH wills to guide them. But most of those hindus are those who havent been invited to Islam or been conveyed the message of Islam as commanded by ALLAH, ie in the best way possible.

U can take up my example, I lived among muslims only for about 30 years of my life, with my best friends, my closest family ties being with muslims only. All I was told about Islam was how Islam and muslims are superior than hindus and hinduism, and how my ancestors were zahils unlike muslims and how much foolish we are, and how our preceedors were spanked by muslim bravehearts. NO word of Holy Quran or its translation was conveyed to me with the will to guide me to right path, although invitation to join Islam were in plenty with some mischivious intention. It was only when I came in contact with a Pakistani girl through internet when I was conveyed the real message of Islam and an intvitation to read holy quran with an unbiased mind. without any threatening of being thrown into hellfire.

Now, who can afford to differ with me that ALLAH who is Rehman and Raheem, can never punish millions of hindus with hellfire when the real message of Islam never reached them? This breeds another question for U or any other to answer what will happen to those million hindus who took pride and spritual pleasure in commiting shirk?

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And what's bid'ah? Simple: an innovation in Islam. When you add unnecessary practices, even if they don't hurt anyone, and claim it is mandatory in Islam when the Noble Qur'an or the sunnah of the Prophet, sallalahu alaihi wa'sallam, have not stated as such, then it is considered bid'ah and thus haraam.

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This is interseting and needs some eleboration, do the innovations like adding something to fajir adhaan and Taraveeh during the holy month of ramadhan amounts to bidah? if not than plz provide me with some authentic source which may enlighten me that such practices were common during the time of the HOLY PROPHET?

Thanks.

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Peace Raj_ind,

Every child born is as 'Muslim' but their parents turns them into their religion i.e., Muslim, Hindu, Christian etc.,. Those who are by birth believed in those religions which were taught them by their parents doesn't fall into the categories of 'Shirk'. Once a person realize that there is only one deity and that deity is true God and non other Him is worshipable than after that if the person worship/believe in any other deity will be considered/committed as 'Shirk' which is unforgivable.

Almighty Allah makes hearts of all those tumbles who haven't yet knw about the religion 'Islam', so that they ponder what is truth. But those who sucessessed reverted to Islam rest others continued as they were.

'Biddah' is any new 'innovations' in religion of 'Islam'.

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Peace lethal kamikaze,

I personally agree with ur statement, but I m afraid that most muslims dont agree with it.

Regarding bidah, I take ur comments as agreement that the things I pointed out are bidah and thus anti islamic.

Thanks.

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Peace raj_ind,

What quoted from the Holy Book Quran and from the Hadith are true and what I wrote (my personal opinion) might be wrong and hope other fellows will going to correct me in that case :)

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Peace lethal kamikaze,

Exactly bhai,

Speaking my heart out, sometimes when I engage in these kind of discussions, and think over the huge difference regarding interpretation of Islam among various sects and muslims, I feel that BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT LEARNT ABOUT MESSAGE OF ISLAM. At least they will have some logical excuse on the day of judgement unlike 71 odd sects. ALLAH knows best and may HE guide all to right path, AMEEN.

Peace.

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Peace Raj_ind,

I also used to think that those who haven’t learned message of Islam are blessed but a question pop in my mind next moment that if i’m thinking correctly than why there were need of 1,24,000 prophets a.s.? So I think what Almighty Allah said (in Quran) and Prophet Muhammad :saw2: (in hadiths) are sufficient for me to keep stronger my belief. Moreover, I listen what others says and what I found good I take it (good in sense that if I apply it than It won’t harm or cause to harm due to my reaction) and what I felt bad I leave it.

Ameen to the dua. :slight_smile:

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Nice thread.

When shirk is committed by Muslims, it is obviously due to lack of education. There are verses in the Quran that state the person closest to Allah SWT is the one with Taqwa. But if Muslims don't hear and understand such verses, they will obviously turn to pirs because they are known to be so close to Allah SWT.
I was listening to a lecture which mentioned that believing e=mc2 can actually be shirk. I'm not a science major but I think it stands for energy can neither be created nor destroyed. The lecturer mentioned when writing e=mc2 you should also write by mankind in the end.
When I heard the lecture, I was surprised to find out a even saying things like Ya Rasoolah can be shirk. Guessing that would mean you are praying to the Prophet [pbuh].
There are a lot of little things we do not know about that might fall under shirk, simply due to lack of knowledge about Islam. And shirk is a sin that is unforgivable.

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Peace Falak Ali,

believing in 'e-mc2' and saying 'Ya Rasool' doesn't fall under any catergory of shirk. I disagree with u.