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*Originally posted by Nussairee: *
-Shikwa hay mujhay onsay jo matam nahee kartay
Bantay hein mohib, chushm ko pur-numm nahee kartay
ham to aik laakh chobees hazaar nabiyon ki mohabbat ka bhee dam bhartay hain....
agar sab ka maatam karne baith ge to zindagi sari issi me guzar jaye gee
-Hum kaisay samajh lein gham-e-Shabbir(as) hay dil mein
Jo log Moharram ki tazeem nahee kartay muhammad(saw) ne 10 muharram ko khushi me roza rakha keh is din moosa(as) ko fir'oun se najaat milee....
ham bhee is ki taazeem me roza rakhtay hain....
moosa(as) ki khushi azeem ya hussain(as) ka gham????
-Kiya zinda-e-javed na thay Hazrat e Hamza(ra)
Kyoun zabt-e-boka sarwar-e-aalam(pbuh) nahee kartay 3 din se zayada kiya????
1400 saal tak kartay rahey????
-Kyoun Fatima(as) nay baap kay marnay pay baka ki
Wo rowein magar aankh ko tum numm nahee kartay see above
-Azdwaj nay kyoun laash-enabbi(pbuh) pay yey kaha?
Hum zinda-e-javed ka matam nahee kartay again, maatam did not last more than 3 days
-Habeel kay kyoun gham mein baqa kartay thay Adam(as)
Ghour is par kabhee mazhae baydumm nahee kartay from where did u get that from????
-Qanoon pay fitrat kay kyoun ta'na zani hay
Bay aqali pay kyoun apni hi matam nahee kartay muhammad(saw) ka maatam karo, hussain(as) ka maatam karo, ali(ra) ka karo, hassan(ra) ka karo, jaffar tayyar(ra) ka karo, sara saal issi me guzaar do
-Is zabt kay qurban piye jatay ho aansoo
Sontay hein masaaeb managr gham nahee kartay
*gham nahin kartay ya dikhaawa nahin kartay????
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I wrote this in reply to the sher other dude posted above.
Points raised by you need more time and writing effort which i doubt i can afford at this stage.
Nonetheless it is good to c you happy with the concept of azadari, even if its for a 3 day period. All the best.
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*Originally posted by SuMi: *
i saw this picture of a guy cutting his lil sons head with a sword and the poor kid is probably about 1/2 yrs old and he's there crying and bleeding like hell. I felt so angry..ok they can do it to themsleves but to a little kid that is way too much.
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*Originally posted by SuMi: *
i saw this picture of a guy cutting his lil sons head with a sword and the poor kid is probably about 1/2 yrs old and he's there crying and bleeding like hell. I felt so angry..ok they can do it to themsleves but to a little kid that is way too much.
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yeah i wouldnt agree with that...let the kid grow up..if he wants to do matam fine but dont force matam on him
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*Originally posted by google: *
I've heard that most people who cut their hand and bodies are uneducated and sometimes illiterates Shias. Is that true?
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Most if not all of them do fit into those categories you mentioned above.
These practices have consistently been discouraged by the scholars and other respected figures, although, few people either ignore it or seem to disagree with it. Personally, i know that in Karachi 70% of these people come from either Panjab or Interior to practice this stuff. Most of these people are MOLAEE or MALANG.
As for my family (and most of the other educated/liberal shias i know), we go to one of those blood camps (set out all over Karachi by Eidhi, Fatimeed Foundation etc) and donate blood for people in need.
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and one more thing u shouldnt have a prob with crying cause the prophets cried too u know which ones ?
i m sure u dont ....
and in Quran it says many times ...qrying is better for momins ....
did u ever hear that before ...im sure u didnt ...cause u have not read Quran ....and even if u did u dont understand it ....
so stop acting stupid go learn Quran/.......................
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Cry? in what context? of Matam ? (I seriously doubt that).
if you are so well versed about Quran suggesting us to "cry" in context of "maatam" why don't you educate us?
Most if not all of them do fit into those categories you mentioned above.
These practices have consistently been discouraged by the scholars and other respected figures, although, few people either ignore it or seem to disagree with it. Personally, i know that in Karachi 70% of these people come from either Panjab or Interior to practice this stuff. Most of these people are MOLAEE or MALANG.
As for my family (and most of the other educated/liberal shias i know), we go to one of those blood camps (set out all over Karachi by Eidhi, Fatimeed Foundation etc) and donate blood for people in need.
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I'm glad that you and your family doesn’t indulge in such practices. It’s really a big turn off
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*Originally posted by SuMi: *
i saw this picture of a guy cutting his lil sons head with a sword and the poor kid is probably about 1/2 yrs old and he's there crying and bleeding like hell. I felt so angry..ok they can do it to themsleves but to a little kid that is way too much.
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Shias are badd baad..
Keep in mind. Jihalat in Pakistan is on a rise , so dun be surprised if you witness any of these acts. Zanjeer ka matam is more of a cultural thing. Correct me if I'm wrong I really doubt in Iran you would see these type of Matams.
No doubt, the intentions of the shias are good but not sure about the approach(zanjeer ka matam) .