Shiasm, far away from Islam

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Assalam O Alaikum

May Allah SWT’s wrath be on Abdulla bin Saba who started Shiasm.

A month back i started reading about Shiasm in detail, though i had an idea about their believes but the exact begining of shiasm was not known to me. Plus some new believes of shiasms were cleared on me.

The objectionable believes of Shiasm are

  1. They do not respect the jalil ul qadr Sahabis of Prophet SAW. While there are authentic books of ahadiths full of their praise but they can see nothing.

  2. Most of the Shias, i think 90% are following what there forefathers were doing which is in resemblence to Kuffar of Quraish who did not accepted Islam because they said they cannot go against their forefathers.

  3. There is a major lack of right knowledge in Shia community. Majority of books they follow are unauthentic and are far from the truth and are full of evil believes.

  4. Concept of Imam, this is very popular in Shias and even in some sects of sunnis. Allah SWT has sent his messanger Muhammed ibn Abdullah SAW to be followed and not Imams. No where in Quran or in sunnah of Prophet SAW it is mentioned to follow imams. What is said in the last sermon of Prophet SAW was to follow QURAN AND SUNNAH. And about the right sect, Prophet SAW said the one which follows me and my Companions. The differences between the different sects are just because of this. Every Imam gives rulings according to his understanding of Islam. No doubts the imams who actually are nice religious people do a lot of good work for Islam and our duty is to try to understand islam through them and all of them not to follow one person and name him imam (leader).

  5. SHIRK is very much found in the believes and even in the prayers of shias. They do sijda on a special kind of circular thing (i don’t know the name) which is made of mud of Karbala. They call YA ALI and YA HUSSAIN which are shirkia kalimat and believe in the aqeeda of WASEELA which again is SHIRK. They call Hazrat Ali RAA their Maula which again is Shirk

  6. Bid’aat, one who brings new things to Islam is a mardud as per Aba Qasim SAW. Shiasm is full of Bid’aat, their way of performing prayer is self constructed and is not proved by Prophet SAW or Sahaba RAA Ajmaeen. Plus the concept that Imam cannot make mistakes and Ahl-e-Bayt are wajib ul ita’at are some of the examples of bid’aat.

Point no. 6 i.e. Shirk, is alone enough to declare a Shia Mushrik, i.e. someone who WILL NEVER GO TO JANNAH and Jannah is Haram on Mushrekeen.

Plus it is agreed among all scholars that Munkar of Rasool SAW is a KAFIR, i.e. if someone is proved with a hadith of Prophet SAW and we deny it for no reason. It is Kufar, and Allah SWT has already said in Quran that no one can be a Muslim until he makes Prophet SAW judge in the matter and accepts his decision without any objection even in his heart. There are so many ahadiths of Sahih Bukhari (which near the Ulema of the Muslim Ummah is the most authentic book of hadith) which have been rejected by Shias just on a suspision that sunnah of Prophet SAW has been changed.

In the end, i will advice all shias to think about their believes and their faith and try to know the truth. Following what your forefathers have been doing is never going to help and will not be an excuse on the day of Judgement.

Wa ma alaina illal balagh

Wallah o allah Wassalatu wassalamu ala Muhammad ibn-e- Abdullah wa ala a’lahi, wa ashabihi ajmaeen.

Assalam O Alaikum.

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Dear Brother Abdullah,

Why don't you do me, personally, a favor.. and could you get me the fatwa from whoever you think are the Alim of Islam, in other words, "the most learned person of Islam" in today's world declaring Shias Kafir. You know that way it would be much easier than all this bickering back and forth. It will save you alot of energy and time from writing all these messages which you can use more productively. Please get me the Fatwa or if you think you posses the knowledge to issue one yourself, than be my guest.

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Assallaamu alaikum,

Brother Imranz,

Shi'ite claims have been rebutted by numerous early schollars like Ibn Taymeeyah in 'Minhaj as Sunnah', adh-Dhahabee in 'Muntaqaa min Minhaj-al-I'tidaal, Ibn Katheer in his history book, Ibn al-Jawzee in 'Talbees Iblees, and Al-Qaadee ibn al-Arabee in Al-Awaasim min al-Qawaasim.

Imaam al-Aloosee - declared the Raafidite Shi'ites disbelievers because of their defamation of the Sahaabah. His position was based on the rulings of Imaam Maalik and other scholars who were in agreement with him (Al-Aloose, Rooh al-Ma'aanee). In reply to their claim to be followers of Ahl al-Bayt (the Prophet's family), al-Aloose said, "No, they are really followers of the Devils and Ahl al-Bayt are innocent of them." (Ghayaahib al-Jahaalaat)

Muhibbuddeen al-Khateeb - This scholar wrote a book on them called al-Khutoot al-Areedah lil-Usus allatee Qaama Alayhaa Deen ash-Shee'ah al-Ithnay 'Ashreeyah (lit. Broad Oulines of the Basis for the Twelver Shi'ite Creed). He also footnoted earlier works n the Shee'ah like Al-Muntaqaa and Al-Awaasim min al-Qawaasim. In all of his works he considered Shi'ites to be disbelievers.

Muhammad Rasheed Ridaa - This scholar was among those who worked sincerely for rapprochement between the Sunnis and Shi'ites, and they in turn pretended moderation for his benefit.. However, in the midst of his efforts they caught him by surprise by presenting him with some of their books which slandered Islaam. He then replied to them in a paper called As-Sunnah wa ash-Shee'ah in which he exposed their doctorines and idolatrous practices.

Dr Muhammad Taqeeyud-Deen al-Hilaalee - After living close to the Shi'ites for some years, the famous Moroccon scholar wrote a paper on them in which he declared them disbelievers.

Abul-A'laa al-Maududi - This Pakistani scholar wrote an introduction to the book 'Ar-Riddah bain al-Ams wa al-Yaum (lit. Apostasy in the Past and Present) by Muhammad KaadHim Habeeb published in 1977. In it the author wrote of the Imaami Ja'fari Shi'ites, "In spite of their moderate views (relative to other sects of Shi'ism), they are swimming in disbelief like white blood or like fish in water." Maududi supported these views by praising the author and recommending that the book be done in hardback.

Among other contemporary scholars who have made similar statements are Shaikh Ibn Baaz (the leading Scholar of our time), Allaamah ash-Shanqeetee, al-Albaanee, Ahmad Ameen, an-Nashaasheebee, Dr Rashaad Saalim etc.

These are only some of the views of a handful of scholars, from both past amd present.

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Dr. Rashaad Salim - correct me if I am wrong isn't he the one who started the sect called the "submisson'ars (www.submission.com)" ?

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Assalam O Alaikum

Brother Qaasim

Excellent work brother, Jazakumullah khair.

Assalam O Alaikum

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Assallaamu alaikum,

Abdulla, Wa'ayyaa'koum akhi.

Champ, I'm sorry, i do not know if it's the same one.

Assallaamu alaikum

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Assalamualaikum.

There is a website islamicity.org where one can ask question about Islam
and there are five Imams to asnwer your question, I found the following
and am posting here. Although it may not have anything to do with the
topic it will be good for our information:

What are the differences between the two sects Shias and Sunnis?

A597 : Linguistically speaking, the term Shia means followers or supporters. In a historical context, it means the supporters of Ali ibn Abu Talib, the Prophet's cousin, who became the fourth ruler of the Muslim state. When he took over, there was a split between him and other groups of Muslims over the question of dealing with those who mounted the rebellion against his predecessor, Uthman ibn Affan. At this time, there was no such sect as Shia. However, after he was assassinated, his supporters wanted his son, Al Hassan, to take over. They maintained that succession should remain among his descendants. The Shias continued to oppose the Ummayid and Abbasid governments for a very long time. This lead to the provision of a religious backing to the political opposition. Hence, the rise of the Shiite school of thought which institutionalizes the role of the imam. Thus, we have the Jaafari or the Imami school of thought which lists 12 imams whom the Shia venerate. The Zaidi school of thought, which is largely concentrated in Yemen, lists only 7 imams. The question of the role of the imam is the basic issue of difference between Shias and Sunnis. The Term "Sunni" on the other hand, means from linguistic point of view a follower of a method. In an Islamic sense, the term Sunnah means the method shown by the Prophet. Within our context, it refers to the majority of Muslims who gave allegiance to the Muslim state, starting with Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali and going through the Umayyids, the Abbasids, etc. They do not recognize the Shiite claim that Ali had a stronger claim to succeed the Prophet as the ruler of the Muslim state. They maintain that anyone has an equal claim provided that he meets the qualifications required for the post. In our day and age, it is more important to stress points of agreement rather than points of disagreement, because what unites Muslims is much greater than what disunites them. With the enemies of Islam trying hard to sow the seeds of discord among us, we should try our best to render their attempts futile

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Qaasim,

Even though People and their statements you have mentioned are questionable as well as your finding, but I didn't post my message here to start another debate/argument. If you believe that Shias are Kafir, Mushrik, Jahannumi, you have every right to your own opinion and judgements along with anyone who agrees with your chain of thoughts.

I thank you for your specific and direct to the point research on my question and as kafir, Mushrik or Jahannumi I don't think you need to have brotherly association or have any discussions with shias since that would be against your Islamic teachings.

And certainly, I don't think there's Salam vajib towards any Kafirs/Mushriks. So, it will save you that trouble as well.

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Assallaamu alaikum (the sallaam is for the brothers, and not the disbelievers).

Imranz,

You asked for a fatwa, i presented you with fataawas. And by no means were the scholars i mentioned, an exhaustive account, of those who have clearly spoken out against the practices and beliefs of the Shi'ites. They were not my words, but the words of the people of knowledge. As Allaah states in the Qur'aan: 'If you do not know, ask the people of Knowledge.'

The Companions(May Allaah be pleased with them), implemented Islaam in the purest form - how it was taught by the Messenger(SAW) - within themselves, and spent their lives in the path of Allaah, and as a result we can gain a better knowledge through their understanding. Is this not a blessing from Allaah, bestowed upon the Ummah of Rasoolallaah? Should we not follow the Qur'aan and the Sunnah as taught by the Prophet(SAW) and practiced by the Companions, who Allaah chose as the best of Mankind? Is the understanding of the Messenenger SAW's Wives and the Companions, not far greater than all those generations that followed? Are they not from amongst the people who have been promised Paradise? Does it not cause us to increase in our love for the Sahaaba, because whose efforts in spreading Islaam we are Muslims today? Do we not appreciate the sacrifices they made for Allaah and His Deen? Does it not bring tears in our eyes when people insult the Qur'aan and the beloved Messenger(SAW) and his Companions? Do we not feel a rush of anger flow through our veins when the people curse the companions? If not, then how can we call ourselves Muslims today?
And why do we not speak out about those people and those Shi'ites who are guilty of such slander?

The Companions, even after the Prophet(SAW) passed away, used to speak out against new innovations and beliefs in the Religion, and warned people against it. They did not sit back, and let events, incidents and actions that were not Islamic, simply take place. We as muslims have to take their example, and through the scholars we learn about such people. The Prophet SAW did not leave behind dirhams nor dinars. He left behind knowledge, and the inheritors of this knowledge are the scholars. Who soever inherits this knowledge has indeed inherited a geat fortune. And when the scholars speak out against people and sects, they do not do it because of their own whims and desires, but rather, they have a responsibility, and so do we, because we will all have to answer to Allaah on the Day of Judgement. But we must be careful not to over step our bounds, and leave fatwas for those of understanding, who judge by the the Book of Allaah, and the Sunnah of His Messenger SAW.

So you were absoloutely within your rights to ask for a fatwa from the scholars declaring some Shi'ites as disbelievers. Judgement should not be passed by any individual according to ones own desires, but rather by those people of knowledge( i.e. the scholars of both past and present) who take from the Qur'aan, Sunnah and the understanding of the Companions.

And to finish, a reminder, first and foremost for myself, and then to everyone else:
"The deeds of those who have disbelieve are like a mirage in a desert which the thirsty perceives as water but when he reaches it, he does not find it to be anything. Instead, he finds there Allaah, who gives him the full share of all that he earned. And, Allaah is swift to take account." (Surah an-Noor 24:39)

May Allaah Guide us all

Assallaamu alaikum warakhmatullaah (to the believers)

[This message has been edited by Qaasim (edited January 29, 1999).]

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Qaasim,

I hear you loud and open. I do believe that I didn't forget to express my gratification for providing me with the extensive information on the Fatwas from people who you consider to be the most learned of past and present.

After those precious Fatwas from the people you considered "most learned", I don't think there's any need to go any further on this topic. If one is shia, then according to the learned people you had mentioned, they are "KAFIRS & MUSHKIRS". If you believe that, again, I am repeating myself, then its your right because according to you as you mentioned Quranic statement, we should learn from the Learned people.

I hope this is the end of this discussion, as a Kafir/Mushrik in your and others who carry the similar thoughts, I think you are wasting your precious knowledge and time in trying to straighten a Kafir, myself, to come back to Islam as well as it will save you trouble to say Salam to me as Salam is not allowed for non-muslims.

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Sunnis calling Shi'as Mushriks and Kafirs
make me laugh.

Abdullah,

Shi'as follow the actual Islam as was
followed by the Prophet PBUH, before its
widespread corruption by the Ummayads.

We do Sajda on earth, or a leaf, because
we believe that the Prophet PBUH loved to
do sajda on things that were of the earth
or grew out of the earth.

Prophet PBUH has himself said that his family
is equal to the Quran, and following his
family is following the Quran itself.

Prophet PBUH himself called Ali the
Muslims' Maula, so is Prophet PBUH (Naouzubillah) Mushrik? I don't think so.

The Ummayads are responsible for Sunnis'
wrong beliefs. The Ummayads hated Islam
and the Prophet and his family PBUH, that
is why they desecrated their graves and
slaugtered their supporters. Ayesha
even tried to prevent Imam Hasan (AS)'s
burial. She did SAJDA to Allah when
Hazrat Ali (AS) died.

So you basically believe what the evil
rulers of Damascus taught your forefathers.

Abdullah bin Saba did not start Shia'ism.
ALL SHIAS HATE ABDULLA BIN SABA.

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Imranz,

You were the one who was pressing hard for 'fatwa'. Why are you so upset now after reading so many 'fatwa' against "Shiaism". After reading those 'fatwa" it is better for you to come out of your ego-ecentric (racist) attitude and join your brothers in Islam as guided by Quran and Sunna.

Zarif

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Mr. Zarif,

Granted I asked for Fatwa, and its very obvious that a fellow was able to provide ample amount of them (regardless of questioning the neutrality/validity of those sources) yet you failed to notice or deliberately avoided the fact that in my first post, I hadn't even hinted or provided any indication that I am asking those Fatwas for personal religious quest, on the contrary, it was asked so when anyone speak here or label someone with certain titles they have their bases covered.... Again, that is the first rule for any intellectual discussion rather than bad mouthing anyone with accusation without proofs/reasoning.

I had mentioned before and I am repeating myself again for your convience, I am not going to have this discussion of comparitive studies of different sects/discipline of Islam as neither the communication medium here is strong enough nor would these discussions yield any fruits, ofcourse, figuratively speaking.

So, my suggestion for you would be to stop worrying about my "ego-centric" attitude and go back and reread my first post which would contradict your chain of thoughts that my questioning of fatwas was for conversion fromm Kufir (as thought of by many of you) to Pure Islam (which you all think you believe in).

[This message has been edited by Imranz (edited January 29, 1999).]

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here's a thing for you sunnis:
yazid was one of Muhammad's(pbuh) sahabi.
abdulla can you pls tell us where yazid is buried? Can you tell us the reason why no muslim names his/her son yazid?

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Not using Yazeed as a name is a modern trend and doesn't date back more than 100-150 years. Surely you must have heard of people like Ba-Yazeed Bastami rahmatullah alaih. There are many other occurances of this name throughout the history.

Your effort of throwing a flame-bait is noted, though.

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As long as Shias continue to stick to the line of slandering of Sahaba and Ayesha (RA) then there can never be true reconciliation between Sunni and Shia. Who are they to judge those whom the Prophet (saw) loved in an unfavourable light?

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Bismihi Ta’ala
Assalam o alaikum

Please find enclosed a URL to the fatwa (a religious edict) issued by the al Azhar University, Egypt as to the validity of the Shia (Ithna Ashari) school of thought, in both its original arabic as well as english.

insha 'Allah this will shed some light on the the status of the Ahlal Sunna scholarship towards the Shia.

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1b/14.html

Regards

Abbas Ali