Shias on permanent Ignore, you shia keep putting false info....

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Asalammu-alekum!

First of all, I do not expect to change your minds quickly and easily, or even at all. Often times, it is like arguing with a donkey - you waste your breath and annoy the donkey! - I posted everything with evidences and proofs from quran(truth) and hadiths proving you wrong, but you get annoyed of me posting material from/according-to quran and sunnah.
You again and again, over and over lean back to the teachings of your ancestors and not what the quranic truth is. I don’t want to mention any issues in this post. Admins and Moderator are keeping quiet, while you guys post false information, the moment we try to confront you with something that is from quran and sunnah, we are accused of making personal attacks. I don’t think I insulted ANYONE on this forum yet, everthing I posted had references and they were not made up like most of shia work that is being posted.
How come Admins and Moderators do not say anything when false information about Islam is being posted? Does the Moderator of this forum posses ANY knowledge of the quran and sunnah?[with all dua respect of course]

Anyway, I think you guys will never agree with quran and sunnah and always agree with your local Imaams, which is fine with you. I don’t think you guys will stop asking for help from your Imaams instead of Allah. I don’t think you guys will stop worshiping the dead people, instead of worhsiping the only one ALLAH. I don’t think, you guys will stop practicing Taqiyyah(concealment of truth, lying). I don’t think Admins or Moderator will try to be fair, and sensible. May Allah help them be more like “just” humans rather than biased ones.

Due to your arrogances and misunderstanding and too much ignorences of quran and whole allots of other thing, I will not respond to your cheap, and illogical posts. You can continue your sunni, sahahba bashing, with stories and tales that were told to you by some ancestor of yours.

I think your disagreement is out of pride and blind love to Ali and his family and not because you are right. I don’t expect anything good from you guys, so keep putting the false information on Islam and keep discrediting Sunnis with your childhood fables.

Good Luck. Take it easy.

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PS: Mod, when I say something bad to someone, it discredits that person and it is consider as personal remark(he or she is shia). What do you think would happen if someone else says samething to me? Will it be OK, because I am not shia?
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http://islamicweb.com/index.asp?folder=beliefs&file=shia

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[This message has been edited by The Watcher (edited November 06, 2000).]

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So if this was posted first...then how come the fighting continues even now?

Permanent ignore.....what does that mean?

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Dear Muzna,

I just posted this few hours ago. Fighting won't be continueing any more, certainly not from my side. I think, it was never a "FIGHT" with shias. I never considered it be one. It was more like a "big argument" in which both sides had to disagree.

They might have consider this a "fight" maybe that is why, most of the time they end up personalizing the whole post with their put-downs and gimmics to lure others. They can keep their campaigns against "sunnis" going. They have every right to defend their "imaamology," that is what they believe it. We have every right to defend in which we believe in(QURAn and SUNNAh and not Imaamology).

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

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Dear Watcher,

Actually....you posted this message first and then carried on the discussion in the "Problems with Sahih" thread.

If I hadn't noticed the discrepancy I wouldn't have said anything.

Whatever the case....I'm glad that you have decided to let the matter alone.

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Yes, I think in that post I responded to you? Anyhow, its least of my worries.

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Take it easy.

V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**

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hello everyone,well i think that shia people make up their stories and that what many people think is that you people give more regard to hazrat Ali then to the Holy Prophet(p.b.u.h).this can be proved in many ways.there is this shia in my class who makes various stories and wrongly proving that sunnis are wrong.
he once said that there are some shia immams who previously were sunnis and converted to shia, but when i asked for some evidence at that moment he was quite which proves that he was just making up that false story just like many other shias.
this forum is not to make enimies with but just to inform them that there is still some time left to turn up....

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viky u should check this out www.al-islam.org/guided

do try to finish it ok

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I few things to say!

And verily among them is a group who distort the book(by twisting)thier tounges, that you mat reckon it to be of the book; and say "this is from Allah" and it is not from Allah: and they tell a lie against Allah while they know.(3:78)

And when it is said to them "follow what Allah has sent down" they say "No. we follow thta which we found our fathers on" What! even though thier fathers had no sense at all, nor followed the right guidance!(2:170)

This above verse is for you stupid senseless fathers(you don't have anything to do with it coz genes make you like your stupid fathers)

The truth is from your lord; so do not be of the doubters! (2:147)

And after this I give up!
I and all my brothers have cleared everythig but you do not heed so what can we do? But I make Allah my wittness that I have siad truth and showed them the light but they do not see(well how can I expect the blind to see i'm not Hazrat Isa)!

Shia DONT do all these things!

  1. Make hazrat Ali over the prophet(sick minds think sick things like mr. watcher)
  2. That we do not go with hadith(we have our own thank you we dont need yours!)
  3. worship graves(again with the sick)

These are the 3 main things so NEXT time I am not clearing it anymore!

Vicky Read what Sherraz has posted(trust me it will guide you) And if you are another nick of Watcher I don't need to tell you!

All those sick minded people you need to see the light!

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Shah Jahan,

In this forum, you are asked to treat the beliefs, values, and faiths of others with respect. Everyone is entitled to their own views, and u should be able to respect that. I'm not asking you to respect what they believe in, thats up to you, but that in no way entitles you to show disrespect towards any religion, religious figure, or fellow member. In this forum you are asked to respect everyone's right, everyone's freedom to think/believe whatever it is they wish to believe. Offensive behaviour will not be tolerated, this forum is a place where people come to learn, share, and debate, NOT to engage in mudslinging, defamation, and pointless not to mention childish bickering.

That goes for everyone.

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You can consider this a warning.

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[quote]
Originally posted by The Watcher:
**Dear Muzna,

I just posted this few hours ago. Fighting won't be continueing any more, certainly not from my side. I think, it was never a "FIGHT" with shias. I never considered it be one. It was more like a "big argument" in which both sides had to disagree.

They might have consider this a "fight" maybe that is why, most of the time they end up personalizing the whole post with their put-downs and gimmics to lure others. They can keep their campaigns against "sunnis" going. They have every right to defend their "imaamology," that is what they believe it. We have every right to defend in which we believe in(QURAn and SUNNAh and not Imaamology).

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You know what Watcher, I fear Allah so i'm going to stop participating in these Shia/Sunni discussions as well.

May Allah show all of us the true path and keep us on it.

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GFQ,
Thinks for that it made me feel better(really)! Its just that when I saw the title My blood started to boil! I can't think about posting a topic like "Sunnis on permanent ignore. you sunnis blah blah blah!"Can you allow such topic to take place? (be fair)

This topic was wrong from the start!

Watcher,
Just when I started to pick holes in YOUR books you run away and say "I am not fighting anymore" Coz I know You don't have an answer so I don't expect you to reply!

As long as your firing the Questions you are supreme but the world does not work that way!So stop this nonsense and answer my Question on your Sahis!

Quran and Sunnah? plz you are no where near them!

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Zero, before you say anthing. Look at your self and the practices of your religious and social life.

The quran and Sunnah I follow DOES NOT ask me to practice:

-Taqiyyah(concealment of truth, lying) as shias do.
-Ask local and dead Imaams for help as shias do.
-Saying that Imaams know the future, etc.
-Consider Ali to be superior than Mohammad as shias consider ali to be superior than Mohammad.
-Grave worshipping and asking the dead for a connnection between them and Allah.
-Saying Ya Ali Madad - instead of- Ya Allah Madad - clear shirk in that.
-Cursing the noble Sahabas - as shias do.

Many many things which I have been posting about shias from ttheir own sources and books, which CONTRADICT with the teachings of the QURAN!

If you start to consider Hadiths and stories of your imaams to be valid over the hadiths and teachings of Mohammad, that is NOT called following sunnah or quran. That is called creating your own religion out of pride and love towards Ali.

Anyway, ENOUGH! You guys can’t answer any of the questions I asked, instead you throw bunch of made up and misleading translantion of quranic verses and hadiths to prove your point. Truth is what it is, you twisting it won’t make it right in the eyes of Allah. You can fool the people, you can’t fool Allah.

MOD: Please close this post. Thank you.

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[This message has been edited by The Watcher (edited November 08, 2000).]

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Watcher. Does your Quran tell you to ridicule others’ beliefs? I think you read too much of that.

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NYA,

I think you are missing the point. The POINT is that there are NO 2 versions of ISLAMIC beliefs. Mohammad NEVER practice 2 sided/versions of Islam. IT WAS ALWAYS ONE, which is QURAN and SUNNAH of Mohammad. Shias have some believes which are very contradictory to the quran. You are not suppose to be like that. A Muslim is one who follows the QURAN and SUNNAh and does not follow the "made up hadiths and misleading translation of quran - by the local Imaams."

The local Imaams are to follow the Sunnah of Mohammad, not creat their own version of it. If you are going to call your self a "MUSLIM" you have to go by the quran and sunnah, you can't have it any other way.

I AM NOT TRYING to ridicule anyones beliefs, please understand that! By practicing things which QURAN does not alow us to do, we are really insulting the prophet Mohammad. That is ridiculing, not correcting someone when they are wrong according to the QURAN. [You being a Ahmadi, would agree that we should follow quran and sunnah]

Anyhow, any moment now, I will get bashed by Muzna again for not keeping my words, so I ask the Moderator[if she is moderating] to lock this thread.

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

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Let’s not close it so fast.

Are you saying that it is “Mendatory” to follow the Sunnah for a Muslim? Where is that written in the Quran? Please refer to the Surah and the Ayat. By this logic, every one will have over 2 dozens wives, wouldn’t learn to read or write (so follow the Sunnah to the T), among most other things.

Whatever whoever does, is whoever’s business. If Shias have decided to practice different things by choice, that’s what they think is the more appropriate way. If you want to follow Sunnah and Quran, no one is asking you to not do that.

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watcher i think u are dissappointing everyone

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dont spread false rumors please ok
who is closer to God then Prophet Mohummad..
who is closer to Prophet then Prophets Family
who is closer to Prophets Family then Shia

shias strictly follow Quran, Prophet and Prophets family, so please keep ur false rumors to urself..before u get banned again

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NYA, again you missed it:

-Taqiyyah(concealment of truth, lying) as shias do.
-Ask local and dead Imaams for help as shias do.
-Saying that Imaams know the future, etc.
-Consider Ali to be superior than Mohammad as shias consider ali to be superior than Mohammad.
-Grave worshipping and asking the dead for a connnection between them and Allah.
-Saying Ya Ali Madad - instead of- Ya Allah Madad - clear shirk in that.
-Cursing the noble Sahabas - as shias do.

[People who follow quran "strictly' do not have the addition of practices above.]

Shias do those things[later added], now tell me where does it say in QURAN to do them?

<>(Al-Maaidah 5:3.)

As for the authority of the Sunnah, then it must be understood that the role of the Prophet Muhammad (S) was not as a mere postman who, after delivering his letter, has no concern with it whatsoever. The Messenger was not sent just to deliver the Book of Allah, but to expound it and demonstrate a practical example of its contents. (Aal-`Imran 3:164.) This function of the Prophet (S) could not be carried out unless his guidance was held to be authoritative and binding upon his followers. Thus Allah made obedience to His Messenger (S) an obligation upon mankind.(Aal-`Imraan 3:132, An-Noor 24:54, etc.)


( Al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, and others.)

( Ahmad, Abu Daawood, and others. Verified to be authentic by al-Albaani (As-Saheehah 1532)

More later...

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

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[quote]
Originally posted by The Watcher:
**NYA, again you missed it:

-Taqiyyah(concealment of truth, lying) as shias do.
-Ask local and dead Imaams for help as shias do.
-Saying that Imaams know the future, etc.
-Consider Ali to be superior than Mohammad as shias consider ali to be superior than Mohammad.
-Grave worshipping and asking the dead for a connnection between them and Allah.
-Saying Ya Ali Madad - instead of- Ya Allah Madad - clear shirk in that.
-Cursing the noble Sahabas - as shias do.
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Sometimes, I think that the God we call Allah (sbwt) is a conncoction of the human mind. God, as He is described and beleived as All-mighty, All-knowing, etc., might be a fabrication. (Naoozo-billah).

I am not able to understand the Shia claim that the Prophecy was destined for Hazrat Ali but...

What I can't understand is that Allah (sbwt) was unable, not knowing, and powerless to let such action and duping of His future prophet to be take place.

If Allah (sbwt) could not stop His message from going to the wrong person then .... ?
Are the Muslims, by shia cliams and belief, following anything half close to truth?

Rest of the discussion on the differences between the Shia and Sunnis do not interest me since I get stuck on this preliminary thought.

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**FOR THE ADMINS******
I thought that you had banned such
stuff, can't you see what these
stupid people are putting up,
trying to misinform ppl about
another sect. I just don't see
why their unethical outbursts are
ignored. Just don't see a thing...
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To all those ppl who have posted stuff against the Shia sect:
Have you read anything yourself! Have you read a single book on Shiaism by a Shia. Don't just qoute stuff you heard from your Illiterate grandma. I'm a true Shia, and I can assure you that all the foolish information, no we do not put Hazrat Ali (A.S.) infront of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH), no we do not worship graves (that's probably what wahabees say...). Have you read the complete Sahi-Bukhari, you are write we do not believe in most of the Hadith put into that book, we consider most of them 'Zaeef'... if you don't understand this, read the book and you'll know why we consider them this way... So do some research b4 you come up with assumptions.

To all those ppl who have replied positively to these unethical posts:
'Samp kay agay been bajanay say kuch naheen hota...' You can tell them that what they assume is untrue, and shower them with facts, qoutes and figures... but what in compressed into their minds will only get out if they unsidedly think what is true and what can be true. Waisay, one thing you can tell them is that you can find more ppl who convert from sunnis & wahabees to shias then vice versa...

Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want.