Shias and the Turba in Prayer

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when u say he forbade them from using anything else, what did he forbid them from?

and what is the definition of natural earthy materials?
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Besides the use of anything not grown from the earth, he (saw) forbade the use of anything that can be used for eating or wearing.

pcg: the focus in sajdah is the forehead on the ground. For example, a companion perfoming sajdah with his turban covering his forehead, was asked by the Prophet (saw) to remove it or push it back. The emphasis is lowering your forehead on natural substances. The rest is impossible, as clothing of the body is required as part of hijaab.

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Nice.

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not praying on turbah does not invalidate your prayer neither do the shias say that those who dont are infidels
so yes it is the best religion as there is so much tolerance of different traditions

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it is all connected those who were the true believers were also the least materialistic ....and material wealth spoils the eman of even the best of believers

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^ Very true. That's not to say we should starve ourselves of aesthetics like the Puritans, but nonetheless, extravagance should be avoided and a middle path is best.

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^:k:

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I concur! :) So in the end if someone wants to use the Turba it would be a personal preferance. I mean think about it, is God really that restrictive that you can or cannot use a turba?

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yes i can see the tolerance! Shia are killing Sunnis and vice versa,

Each and every muslims has its very own theory of Islam ( i can see that here on this very board) and niether of them is ready to even listen to other, every one thinks he is right thus if any one disagrees he/she might be declared as "Kafir" most of the scholars of differenct sect have declared other sect as Kafir, hence no prayer can be offered in there "mosque" and/or with them.

Yes i can see the tolerance in all the 52 muslims countries, where one think it is OK tu kill innocents in the name of religion.

the best religion will never taught any of this kind of thing, the best religion should encourage peace and harmony amoung the society and the follower should be doing the same. believe all i have to do is to post something against of a single sect. and then we can see a fish market here... u call that a best religion... u must be joking...

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Respected Sir

You may be right from your own point of view, but if you analyse other societies then probably you are not. The adherents of the best religion i.e., the Muslims are the only ones who still have not fully isolated Religion from Politics. On the contrary all others have separated Religion from Politics. So when a Shia kills a Sunni on political grounds (which is wrong) and vice versa, the world is ready to potray it as a weakness of the Religion Islam. On the contrary just analyse few examples;

  1. When millions of JEWS are killed by CHRISTIANS, world calls them NAZIS and not CHRISTIANS.

  2. When the CATHOLICS and PROTESTANTS kill each other in England, the world terms it as a POLITICAL UNREST in Ireland and not a SECTARIAN CRISIS.

  3. When HINDUS kill thousands of SIKHS in Golden Temple, the world is ready to give its verdict and label it as an INSURGENCY and not a RELIGIOUS STRIFE.

  4. When HINDUS massacre thousands of MUSLIMS in GUJARAT, the world readily labels it as a POLITICAL PLOT AGAINST SECULAR INDIA but never as a GENOCIDE of MUSLIMS.

  5. When the CHRISTIAN SERBS kill millions of MUSLIM BOSNIANS, the world calls it ETHNIC CLEANSING and not a CHRISTIAN TERRORISM.

But behold, when a Shia contradicts some Sunni on this forum, it becomes a SECTARIAN VIOLENCE? When a Sunni refutes a Shia on the net, it becomes RELIGIOUS DISHARMONY? BTW the Shias/Sunnis are killing each other in only those countries where the so called leaders of the WORLD PEACE, DEMOCRACY and LIBERTY viz USA, UK and their allies have penetrated because of one reason or the other.

With best Regards.

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and

fibre can be made from wood, palm leaves and straw to make clothing items. I have had a straw hat at one time myself :)

PS: no it was not stolen from a masjid

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yeah that much is pretty obvious, but fibre is not wood, palm leaves or straw. its made and hence not naturally grown. theres a key difference.

as for straw hats, it might be forbidden to do sajda on the hat itself, but that doesnt rule out the use of other straw products that are not used for wearing, i.e. straw mats.

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Zaraa see baat thee, Afsaana-e-A'jam naY issaY
baRhaa diyaa hai faqat zeb-e-daastaaN kaY liye

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Dear Sir,

Iam not and i'll not compare Islam with anyother religion as i am not comparing religions, as if i have to then it is totally different topic.

My point is, as per the book Islam is said to be the best religion given to the best people( and by saying people, it does not by any mean refer to people of certain ethnic group). Now these Best people have somehow came up with different cults ( which were founded on difference of opinions) and now the situation is, The intermarriage between the cults is equal to marrying a non-muslim. ( this is not the case in south asia only, as per my knowledge and info, whole muslim world is suffering from this)

As per wahabis it is great Deed to kill a shia! so in this particular case who is true muslim, the shia who is getting killed because of his belief or the wahabi who has only one reason to kill that is again the belief!!!

The green hats ( turbans) practically hates every other cult of Islam ( i don't know if they are involved in violence action at large or not), according to them, praying behind or any other mosque is sin and one have to ask for forgiveness from Allah and return the salat!!! ( if my knowledge is right, Muslims are allowed to pray anywhere provided the praying place is Clean.)

I see people in mosque carrying all sorts of weapons!!! and people of the moqsue threating with suicide attacks ( where ofcourse innocents are killed)! should i call the representative of the religion who says that, "thou shall not kill any live, unless it is justified"!!!

Dear sir

there some wrong, either the book is wrong and people are showing the true practice, or either the people are wrong and have left the book!!! so when u leave book/idealogy/school of taught... can u still call urself a true representative of that Book/idealogy/school of taught?

while answering this ( if u answer) please don't compare other religions! lets just talk about this one.

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Dear Sir;
I respect your sentiments but do not fully concur them. My late grand mother an Ahle Hadith (Wahabi) was married to an Ahle Tashiau (Shia), my late Grand father. They had six children. One of them, my late father, remained a Shia while others became Ahle Sunnah (Sunni) and not Wahabis. My father, a Shia was married to my mother, a Sunni. My elder brother is a Shia, my three sisters are Sunni. I am neither a Shia nor a Sunni but call and write myself as a MUSLIM because that is what our Holy Prophet (SAW) and his companions used to call themselves. By the grace of Allah Almighty, in my 41 years of life, we have never ever quarelled over anything. No one has ever ever rediculed any Sahabi or Ahle Bait. In Moharram, I along with my Shia brother and Sunni Uncle make arrangements for the procession of mourners. And people from both Sunni and Shia community come to the death anniversary of my Shia father. So you see, even one example is enough to disprove that whole of the Muslim World is suffering from this. To generalise such statements to more than ONE BILLION MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD WOULD BE UN JUST.
Regards.

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Dear Sir;
Again I would tend to disagree because no where in any Fiqah of any School of thought it is justifid to kill any innocent of any religion albiet a Muslim from a diffrent sect. If some one uses Islam or a belief as an excuse/justification for ones mis deeds, it does not however prove that there is something wrong with Islam. Moreover, if your point is considerd to be true, than there would not be any Shia left in Saudi Arabia where Wahabis far out number Shias.
Regards.

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Dear Sir,

I would state that exceptions are every where, u may see the marriage between a communist and socialist as well... but that doesn't change the realities!

How many of shia's like to marry their children with wahabis and sunnies and viceversa... i respect ur family background as u can see iam talking about majority and ur case can be exceptional...

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Well if thats true then, y they are killing each other... please don't say that it is the consipiracy of the west or jews... if there respective religion doesn't allow them then why they are doing it? so my initial question still stands?

anyway, i'll try to locate the fatwa of Ibn-e-Baz where he says that killing shia is allowed ( bla bla bla)
and fatwa of Raza Khan, where he says whoever don't follow or believe him is Kafir...

if u already knew about these fatwas then save my time, and lets carryon... that on what grounds these kind of fatwas are issued!!!!