“And hold fast all together to the rope of Allah and not be divilded amongst yourself”
Lajawab bhai..:k:true regardless of our differences, but with one common faith(Islam) it is definately possible. 
Once the greatness of Allah comes in ones heart, then their is nothing stopping us from becoming one (Ummah).
Sadly it is exactly because of people with mentality like Lajawab, that Muslims will never be united, what to talk about Muslims and non-Muslims. His reasons for this are not genuine understanding and respect for shias, but it is to fight his supposed enemy who he fears. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". He will no doubt turn against shias when it suits him, just like he supported Saddam the butcher of Shias and Kurds.
Lajawab should instead try to gain genuine tolerance and respect for shias, instead of a marriage of convenience against non-Muslims. People like him do not have pure intentions to unite. They want to unite to kill others. That is why I will never trust people like Lajawab who claim to be Shias best friends one day, and they next day they will support sipae sahaba, laskhar-e-jhangvi when they gun down some shias.
These statements of unity are hollow and frankly I am disgusted by the true intent of the original poster. This is also the same reason Saddam's army lost, because Allah only makes those win who have good intentions. In this war, it was the Americans and British who had good intentions or at least better intentions then that butcher Saddam.
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He will no doubt turn against shias when it suits him, just like he supported Saddam the butcher of Shias and Kurds....
That is why I will never trust people like Lajawab who claim to be Shias best friends one day, and they next day they will support sipae sahaba, laskhar-e-jhangvi when they gun down some shias.
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I didn't read anything in his thread where he supported Saddam's butchering of Shias or Kurds. I don't see anything there where he's supporting Sipah Sahabah either. Can't you make an argument without casting slurs on someone's character?
Imdad
And you expect us to trust someone like you who worships a Kafir (Bush) to be precise. Check your posts?
Lajawab made and effort for unity.
While you made an effort for disunity.
Need I say more.
'a leopard will never change it's spots'.
Guys just forget this person, he can't be pleased with anything.
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I didn't read anything in his thread where he supported Saddam's butchering of Shias or Kurds. I don't see anything there where he's supporting Sipah Sahabah either. Can't you make an argument without casting slurs on someone's character?
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No slur here. Just read his other posts. He has been Saddam's biggest support on these other forums. And read his original post where he only wants to kill kafirs. And that's what his unity is only good for.
Sholay, I will never ever forget the way your people brutally killed Shias in Pakistan because of what they believed in. Never. Don't think I'm being dramatic. I mean it.
Maybe one day, I’ll be lucky enough to receive some sort of condemnation of Waahabi terror groups, but I’m not holding my breath.
This unity is a farce. Today you want to kill kafirs, tomorrow you will once again want to kill shias. How can I trust such people?
kewl personal attacks :) loving it..keep it up
Imdad
So who do you trust?
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Imdad
So who do you trust?
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Honest, tolerant people with good intentions.
People like Fraudia. ;)
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This unity is a farce. Today you want to kill kafirs, tomorrow you will once again want to kill shias. How can I trust such people?
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Shias are killing other Shias in Najaf right now. Just thought you might be interested in that info.
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Maybe so although that needs to be confirmed and 'independently' verified. The point is none is killing each other because they believe the other be kafir. In Najaf, there haven't been fatwas issued that "to kill a shia is halaal and one will go to jannah for it".
I think there's been enough operating of death squads from both sides, playing the blame game can't change that fact.
Right. So what was the point of your earlier post?
The point of the earlier post is that dumb fatwas and sectarian violence isn't carried out by one side only. So what are going to achieve by pointing fingers at only one side?
Seriously Judge, I think you usually have balanced views and I liked the few i read. But sometimes, you would do well to think before you post.
The killing and fatwas from 'both' sides is an out and out lie. Shias in pakistan do not have the capability, the means, the training nor the protection as others who are involved in the conflict to carry out such consistent and highly technical warfare. When have sunnis's been marked out because they are doctors, engineers professionals or have public profiles as have others just because they happen to be shia? When have sunni's been specifically targeted and killed in mosques? When were foreign sunnis killed in Pakistan like the Iranians? Which millitant groups are behind the murder of poor Christians? Its all much too much of a coincidence. I know for a fact when shia killings were at its height many people complained that shias could not defend themselves and they should try at least but this was rejected by the political and religious leadership because of the difficulty to ensure protection and fact that tit-for-tat killing would be in the end to our own detriment. The "mujahideen" could easily kill and flee over the border to afghanistan, their safety and finance was guaranteed by states. I don't know if you know this little fact but in Kargil, a majority of people happen to be shias. When the @mujahideen" went to fight the kafirs they instead turned on the people instead so much so that the pakistani government had to intervene before it caused more bloodshed.
So we cry over our slaughtered family member and friends and ask the government to do something about it because in reality we know we can do jack. Save the bull of 'both' kill each other for those who don't know.
Well my view is anybody involved in sectarian murders should be hunted down doesn't matter from which side - if it's all just wahabis (and I doubt it) then lock them up. Anyway, sectarianism isn't my thing so I'm not really interested in arguing over the fine details.
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:k: I knew you wouldn’t let me down!
Well that's the thing about Judges - they have to look at things in a clear and unbiased way - just ask my Indian pals :)
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Seriously Judge, I think you usually have balanced views and I liked the few i read. But sometimes, you would do well to think before you post.
The killing and fatwas from 'both' sides is an out and out lie. Shias in pakistan do not have the capability, the means, the training nor the protection as others who are involved in the conflict to carry out such consistent and highly technical warfare. When have sunnis's been marked out because they are doctors, engineers professionals or have public profiles as have others just because they happen to be shia? When have sunni's been specifically targeted and killed in mosques? When were foreign sunnis killed in Pakistan like the Iranians? Which millitant groups are behind the murder of poor Christians? Its all much too much of a coincidence. I know for a fact when shia killings were at its height many people complained that shias could not defend themselves and they should try at least but this was rejected by the political and religious leadership because of the difficulty to ensure protection and fact that tit-for-tat killing would be in the end to our own detriment. The "mujahideen" could easily kill and flee over the border to afghanistan, their safety and finance was guaranteed by states. I don't know if you know this little fact but in Kargil, a majority of people happen to be shias. When the @mujahideen" went to fight the kafirs they instead turned on the people instead so much so that the pakistani government had to intervene before it caused more bloodshed.
So we cry over our slaughtered family member and friends and ask the government to do something about it because in reality we know we can do jack. Save the bull of 'both' kill each other for those who don't know.
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this is a really good post..i hope our PIR SAHAB get to see it too...its only one sided thing..its wahabi mentality to just kill kill kill