Why did the Twelvers reject Jafar As-Sadiqs elder sons claim to Imamate and followed his younger brother Musa al-Kazim instead?
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Who cares?
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I do.
I don’t know very much about Islam so I don’t know if I can consider myself a Muslim or not. As a young’n all I was taught first by my Mullah was to chant the Koran from scripture and that was in Arabic so I didn’t understand what I was chanting because I didn’t understand Arabic, same way I was taught the 6 Kalmas and the 2 declarations of Iman by heart without understanding their meaning, and a few other rituals and practices without going into details on what they meant such as Wuzu and Namaz.
I knew we’re meant to pray to an invisible God who we can’t comprehend or picturise in our heads because he is too great for that and I had a vague idea that he sent a holy man to guide us to him called Muhammad but that’s it, I hadn’t the faintest clue about the early history of Islam or that there was other religious sources besides the Koran in Islam.
When I got the Internet I got curious and searched for stuff on Islam and was fascinated and read sites by Sunnis, Shi’ahs, Sufis and all sorts and got some sort of limited spiritual satisfaction from all of them but then I decided I wanted to find the ultimate truthful version of Islam because they all contradicted so much but I was left quite confused because each one claims to be on the truth and there’s so many sects and sub sects, Sunnis, Shi’ahs, Sufis, Zaidis (Fivers), Ismailis (Seveners), Ithna-Asharis (Twelvers), Taqlidi Sunnis vs. Salafi Sunnis, Ash’ari vs. Maturidi vs. Murji’ah vs. Mu’tazili etc. etc. and each one claims to be on Haq and says the others are all on Baatil or partially on Baatil.
"Who cares” has to be the most idiotic response ever, you must be a true ignorant especially if you consider yourself Muslim, so many times when questions like this pop up Mullahs who are probably not comfortable in their beliefs and can not be arsed to think outside their comfort zones will try brushing the question under the carpet with “oh who cares, let’s concentrate on our own actions and improve our own piety, Allah will judge everyone else including the early Muslims”, that sort of response can only come from a true ignorant, the dedication to Islam of these early Muslims effects our piety because they are suppose to be our teachers and our sources for interpreting the Koran and narrators of the Prophetic tradition, how do we know which ones we should follow and whether we’re on the right track if we don’t judge them and just blindly follow whatever our mommy daddy taught us and what the Mualavi read from Ashraf Ali Thanvis works? With their being so many sects phat chance of us being born into a family which practices the right kind.
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Bro, this is part of history. You'll get the answer from different people according to their perspective. History has been already written and we can't change it. It's possible that you may trap yourself, confuse yourself and even could be tricked from the right path by shatan. I understand that you want to learn. But it would be better to find out more about true Islam, (e.g. read Quranic tafseer, ahadith books etc.) rather than some Islamic history about rulers and so on.
Just don't forget thateverything happens for good reason. Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala knows what's best for everyone and He's indeed the most Wise One!
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The twelvers did not reject anyone, but Imam jaffer's older son passed away during his lifetime, hence he could not have been considered a successor of his father.
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I c, I read it on an Ismaili site, I can't remember if they'd phrased it like that but it seemed to imply that.
So did the Ismailis follow Jafar as-Sadiqs pota/grandson through his elder son and the 12ers decided to follow his younger son? What was the relationship like between the chacha and bhateeja? Was there hostility between them since they lead two different factions of the Shi'ah community.
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Another question for you Ma Mooli are they any hadiths in your books prophesising of the Mahdi accompanying the Muslim army/battalion which will come from Khorrasan (eastern Iran/Afghanistan) carrying black banners?
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Im not aware of any hostilities between the two groups, if there was any. Ismailies are not really that large a group to cause such a rift i dont think, beside all shias at the time of Imam Kazim were a minority and persecuted and hence im guessing they had bigger things to worry about.
There are hadith on the black flags of khorasaan is a sign of the time, but not sure if the Imam accompanying them is mentioned.