Salaamz to u all. this question has probably been asked many times, but i was wondering if i could get a straight answer. I am a sunni muslim and have many different things about shia muslims. whats the truth what the difference between sunni and shia?
Do not let appearances decieve you- always 714
714,
You are absolutely right about your assumption as to the subject of your thread. If you check the option of looking for all the postings in this forum within last 3-4 months, you will see many threads on the both sides of the spectrum i.e., in favor as well as opposition of the subject you wanna discuss.
My personal opinion is that when it comes to religion and matters where emotions are high,these forums aren't the effective means of communication since people more times than other:
a. Try to impose their views regardless of its validity or acceptance.
b. Are very narrow-minded in reference to other people point of views.
c. resort to name-calling, anti-shia or sunni bashing.
I am not doubting your sincere quest for knowledge, and I apologize for all this negative analysis, but this is what I have seen from day 1 for this topic at this forum.
I wish you luck in finding what you are looking for...
c.
714 : Have you discovered all there is in your sect(sunni)? If not then build a stronger faith by doing so and quit looking at what other sects dont have.
Later on
Zman
thats good advice but i was just wondering out of common curiosity and i used to be a gupshup member before, but i recently came back so i don't know of past statements.
Saallaamm
Ok first of all we muslims are told to do what ever the prophet mohammad did. right? yes, that everything is in hadith and in quran it is. right? yes it is. Shia brothers, well they do say Kalma so that makes them muslims but the other believes are very differnt then sunnis, this is all just a very bad confusing among us yes it is, WE SHOULD ALL MUSLIMS FOLLOW WHAT IS IN HADITH AND QURAN THATS IT NOTHING ELSE! We should all follow what just mohammad did and told us to do in hadith and allah told us to in quran if we do that then we can call our selves muslims. Shia sect was created after the death of mohammad it has no place in Islam what so ever! Everything that is created after the mohammads death and was not told or done by him is a SIN and should be avoid!
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
Mr. Jaawan,
You stated:
"Shia sect as created after the death of mohammad it has no place in Islam what so ever!"
Could you tell me the birth era of Sunni Islam, my curiousity aroused after you intentionally/unintentionally failed to elaborate on Sunni sect creation. You do acknowledge the fact that in Prophet's time everyone was acknowledge as "muslim"
You stated:
Everything that is created after the Mohammads death and was not told or done by
him is a SIN and should be avoid!
Should I take that statement as what its conveying?? Or does it just apply to religion and its ramification??? I am a bit puzzled here, I mean if I take this statement literally, one can't survive in this world except to go back to the lifestyle of early Islamic era.
Sunism is just a name to differenciate shias and sunnis. I dont know what shias believe in books of hadith, sunnis believe in what mohammad thought in his life his teaching and his way of life is preserved in hadith and sunis also belive in quran, i have no idea what shias have any books like hadith or something?
Yes what ever is in hadith and quran only and only that should be done. If you read namaz in certain way that is not in Hadith or quran and mohammad did not you to read namaz like that you are not praying you are making sin thats it! ISLAM WAS COMPELETED 1400 YEARS AGO IT WAS COMPLETE AT THAT TIME IT DOES NOT NEED ANYTHING TO BE ADDED OR SUBTRACTED, IF YOU DO ADD OR SUBTRACT THINGS YOU ARE A MUNAFIK AND OUT OF ISLAM, THIS IS ALL IN QURAN AND HADITH PLZZ DO READ THEM ONCE IN WHILE!!!
jAAwAn
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
Jaawan,
If you wrote your last statement with intention of some strong emphasis, I would understand.... But, I think you should be aware of the fact that writing a statement in all "CAPS" is considered "shouting" in net-conversations. Hopefully u will make a note of it.
Back to your topic/message, the worst thing is to give your opinion/judgement about matter which u may not have adequate information/knowledge of... Since you admitted that you are not aware of whether shias have any hadith book or whether or not they follow Quran, Don't you think it is littel biased of you to carry the opinion you are holding for them without finding out the truth???
I understand the fact that it is a lot easier to go with the flow or just listen to the word of mouth/propaganda without trying to find truth, But we all should be held accountable for our words/deeds. Hence, it is better not to pass judgement on matters for which we may not carry the same weight as the others......
Hopefully, you would take above message as a friendly positive advice.
Dear Fellows, the best thing is to follow honestly what you believe and dont critisize the others' religious belief, because Islam teaches us to live in harmony, not the other way around :) :) :)
Imran bhia, yes i said i dont know if shias have any hadith books or something ok i made statement mistakenly, but dont you agree/think that its your job to tell me weather they do have a book or not, instead of tell me what is right or wrong why dont you go ahead and tell me if they do or dont.
well if they follow what mohammad has told us to do and allah ordered us to do then they muslims weather they are considered shias or sunnis this is just a name to tell who is who in the Islamin sects.(read history...british had very big involvement in this matter of shia sect coming out of muslims yes) and thing about CAPS well i was not shouting or anything i was just putting it in caps because you dont miss what i say to make it clear that islam was created and completed 1400 years ago and it doesnt need any addtion or subtraction of things in it! you could have understand it like this but it would have sliped out of your mind ok clear enough now! (who said it is considerd shouting when you write in CAPS, if someone likes to write in capitals should anyone have problem with that, even though the indevidual does not mean to be rude or shouting to anyone, does it make sense to jugde people how they are talking or what they mean on what kinda letters do they write in capitals or non-capitals seems stupid to me!!!
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
Jaawan I was reading this on internet the other day see if this is what you are looking for....
** The Term "Shia" in Quran and Hadith**
The word "Shia" means "followers; members of party". As such, the term "Shia" alone has no negative or positive meaning unless we specify the leader of the party. If one is a Shia (follower) of the most righteous servants, then there is nothing wrong with being Shia, specially if the leader of such party has been assigned by Allah. On the other hand, if one becomes the Shia a tyrant or a wrong-doer, he shall meet with the fate of his leader. In fact, Quran indicates that on the day of Judgment people will come in groups, and each group has its leader in front of it. Allah, to whom belong Might and Majesty, said:
One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)
In the day of judgment, the destiny of the "followers" of each group highly depends on the destiny of his Imam (provided that they really followed that Imam). Allah mentioned in Quran that there are two types of Imams. Some Imams are those who invite people to Hell fire.
They are tyrannical leaders of each era (like Pharaoh, etc.):
And We made them (but) Imams inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find. In this world We continued to curse them; and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the hateful. (Quran 28:41-42).
Certainly, being the members of the parties of such Satanic Imams has been severely denounced in Quran, and the followers of such parties will meet the fate of their leaders. However, Quran also reminds that there are Imams who are appointed by Allah as Guides for the mankind:
"And We ASSIGNED from among them some Imams who GUIDE by Our authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs." (Quran 32:24)
Certainly, the true followers (Shia) of these Imams will be the real prosperous on the day of resurrection. Thus being a Shia does not mean anything, unless we know the Shia of whom. Allah mentioned in Quran that Some of His righteous servants were Shia of His other righteous servants. An example was Prophet Abraham who was mentioned in Quran specifically as the Shia of Noah:
"And most surely Abraham was among the Shia of him (i.e., Noah)" (Quran 37:83)
(Notice that the word "Shia" is explicitly used, letter by letter, in the above verse as well as the following verse.) In another verse, Quran talks about the Shia of Moses versus the enemies of Moses:
"And he (Moses) went into the city at a time when people (of the city) were not watching, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his Shia and the other being his enemy, and the one who was of his Shia cried out to him for help against the one who was of his enemy" (Quran 28:15)
In the above verse of Quran, one is named the Shia of Moses (AS) and the other one is named the enemy of Moses, and the people at that
time were either the Shia or the enemy of Moses (AS). Thus Shia is an official word used by Allah in His Quran for His high rank prophets as well as their followers. Do you want to say Prophet Abraham was sectarian? How about Prophet Noah and Prophet Moses?
If somebody calls himself a Shia, it is not due to any sectarianism, nor any innovation. It is because Quran has used the phrase for some of His best servants. The above verses that I mentioned in support of Shia, has used this term singular form (i.e., one group of followers). This means that it has special meaning, such as: THE Shia of Noah (AS), THE Shia of Moses (AS). Also in the History of Islam, Shia has been specially used for the "followers of Ali". The first individual who used this term was the Messenger of Allah himself:
The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."
Sunni references:
1.Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655
2.Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p329
3.Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v12, p289
4.al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani
5.Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v10, pp 21-22
6.al-Darqunti, who said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities.
7.al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p247
Thus the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) used to say the phrase of "Shia of Ali". This phrase is not something invented later! Prophet
Muhammad (PBUH&HF) said that the TRUE followers of imam Ali will go to Paradise, and this is a great felicity. Also Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"
Sunni references:
al-Manaqib Ahmad, as mentioned in:
Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, p62
Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, who quotes the tradition as follows: "We were with the Holy Prophet when Ali came towards us. The Holy Prophet said: He and his Shia will aquire salvation on the day of judgment."
The "day of rising" may also refer to the day of rising of al-Mahdi (AS). But in more general term, it means the day of judgment. Also it is narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said: "O Ali! On the Day of Judgment I shall resort to Allah and you will resort to me and your children will resort to you and the Shia will resort to them. Then you will see where they carry us. (i.e. to Paradise)"
Sunni reference: Rabi al-Abrar, by al-Zamakhshari
Furthermore, it is narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said: "O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shia will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and there will come to Him your enemies angry and stiff-necked (i.e., their head forced up).
Sunni references:
al-Tabarani, on the authority of Imam Ali al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p236
A more complete version of the tradition which has also been reported by the Sunnis, is as follows:
Ibn Abbas (RA) narrated: When the verse "Those who believe and do righteous deeds are the best of the creation (Quran 98:7)" was revealed, the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said to Ali: "They are you and your Shia." He continued: "O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shia will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and your enemies will come angry with their head forced up. Ali said: "Who are my enemies?" The Prophet (PBUH&HF) replied: "He who
disassociates himself from you and curses you. And glad tiding to those who reach first under the shadow of al-'Arsh on the day of resurrection." Ali asked: "Who are they, O the Messenger of Allah?" He replied: "Your Shia, O Ali, and those who love you."
Sunni references:
al-Hafidh Jamaluddin al-Dharandi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, pp 246-247
Then Ibn Hajar provides a bizarre commentary for the first tradition, saying:
The Shia of Ali are the Ahlussunnah since they are those who love Ahlul-Bayt as Allah and His Prophet ordered. But others
(i.e., other than Sunnis) are the enemies of Ahlul-Bayt in reality for the love outside the boundary of law is the great enmity, and
that was the reason for their fate. Also, the enemies of Ahlul-Bayt were al-Khawarij and their alike from Syria, not Muawiyah and other companions because they were Muteawweloon, and for them is a good reward, and for Ali and his Shia is a good reward
Sunni reference:
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, p236
And this is how Sunni scholars cope with the prophetic traditions in favor of "Shia of Ali"! They say that they are the real Shia!
Let us look at one more tradition in this regard:
The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "The first four individuals who will enter the Paradise are me, you, al-Hasan, and
al-Husain, and our progeny will be behind us, and our wives will be behind our progeny, and our Shia will be on our right side and in our company."
Sunni references:
al-Manaqib, by Ahmad
al-Tabarani, as quoted in:
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p246
From the above pieces of evidence, the word "Shia" is used by Allah in Quran for His prophets as well as their followers. Further, His blessed Prophet, Muhammad (PBUH&HF) has repeatedly used this word for the followers of Imam Ali (AS). The word Shia is used here
in its special meaning, and moreover, it is not in plural form (Parties), rather the above verses and traditions are referring to a special party,i.e., one single party. If Shia meant sectarian, neither Allah would use it for His high rank prophets nor Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF)would have praised them.
However there are some verses in Quran which uses the plural form of Shia that is "Shi-ya'a" which means "Parties/groups". This is a general meaning of this term, and not the special meaning in singular form which has been given in previous examples. Of course, only one single party is accepted by Allah and the rest are severely denounced because they have separated from that unique party. So it is clear why Allah denounced "Groups/Parties/sects" (plural form) who separated from that unique group in some verses of Quran. There can't be two
righteous groups (with conflicting ideas) at the same time, because between the two leaders one is surely better and more qualified, and thus
the claims and the motives of the other leader goes under question.
However I did not locate the exact term of "Ahlussunnah wal-Jama'ah", nor did I find "al-Wahhabiyyah", "al-Salafiyyah" anywhere in the Holy Quran or the traditions of the Prophet. I agree that we should follow the Sunnah of Prophet, but I would like to discover the origin of the exact term here. We Shia are proud to follow the Sunnah of Prophet. However, the question is that which Sunnah is genuine and which one is not. The word "Sunnah" by itself does not serve the purpose of knowledge. All Muslims irrespective to their persuasions claim that
they follow the Sunnah of Prophet (PBUH&HF). Please refer to the article titled "Quran and Ahlul-Bayt" for a detailed discussion in this
regard.
It should be emphasized that the Messenger of Allah never wished to divide Muslims into groups. Prophet ORDERED all people to follow
Imam Ali (AS) as his agent during his life time, and as his Caliph after him. Prophet wished everybody does that. But unfortunately those who heeded him were few and were known as "Shia of Ali" who were subject to all sort of discrimination and prosecution, and suffered from day one of the demise of the Mercy to Mankind, Muhammad (PBUH&HF). If every one (or say the majority Muslims) had obeyed what prophet wished, then there wouldn't exist any group or school within Islam. Allah said in Quran:
"Hold fast to the Rope of Allah, all of you together and do not separate" (Quran 3:103)"
The Rope of Allah which we should not separate from, are the Ahlul-Bayt. In fact, some Sunni scholars narrated from Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq
(AS) saying:
"We are the Rope of Allah about whom Allah has said: 'Hold fast to the Rope of Allah, all of you together and do not
diverge (3:103)'"
Sunni references:
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p233
Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 3:103
Thus, if Allah denounces the sectarianism, He denounces those who separated from His Rope, and not those who hold fast to it! Also some
said the Rope of Allah is Quran. This is also true. But by looking at the following tradition narrated by Umm Salama who said:
The Messenger of Allah said: "Ali is with Quran, and Quran is with Ali. They shall not separate from each other till they both
return to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."
Sunni references:
al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p124 on the authority of Umm Salama
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2, pp 191,194
al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani; also in al-Saghir
Tarikh al-Khulafa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p173
Then we can conclude that Imam Ali is * the Quran verbatim *. That is, Imam Ali is the Strong Rope of Allah also, because they (Quran and Ali) are non-separable. In fact, there are a huge number of traditions in authentic Sunni sources where Prophet said Quran and Ahlul-Bayt are inseparable and if Muslims want to remain in the right path, they should stick to BOTH of them. (Please refer to the article titled: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt). Therefore, one can conclude that those who separated from Ahlul-Bayt are the sectarian who divided into sects and were denounced by Allah and His prophet due to their divergence.
In fact, the opinion of majority is not a good criteria to distinguish the false from the truth. If you look at the Quran, you will see that Quran severely denounces the majority of by frequently saying that "the majority do not understand", "the majority do not use their logic", "the majority follow their whims"...
In another verse, Allah said:
"You are the best nation (Ummah) that has been raised up for the (benefit of) people. You enjoin the good and forbid the
evil..." (Quran 3:110).
The best nation is also the Ahlul-Bayt. Let us remember that according to Quran, "nation" does not mean the whole people. This is even
clear from the above verse that such Ummah (nation) are raised FOR benefiting the people. Thus Ummah can be only a subset of people and not the whole people. In fact one person can be a nation. Sometimes the act of a single person is worthier than the deeds of the whole nation. This was the case for Prophet Muhammad, Imam Ali, as well as the case for Prophet Abraham, peace be upon them all. Quran states that Abraham (AS) was a nation (Ummah), meaning that his deeds was more valuable than all other people. Allah stated:
"Lo! Abraham was a nation (Ummah) who was obedient to Allah, by nature upright, and he was not of the idolaters" (Quran
16:120)
Thus, one single individual can be a nation in the language of Quran. As for the Verse 3:100, it is interesting to note that some Sunni scholars have narrated from Abu Ja'far (Imam Baqir (AS)) that:
Abu Ja'far (AS) said about the verse 'You are the best nation raised up for the (benefit of) people...(3:110)': "The Members
of the House of the Prophet."
Sunni references:
Ibn Abi Hatam, as mentioned in:
al-Durr al-Manthoor, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti under commentary of verse 3:110 of holy Quran.
Also Allah mentioned in Quran:
"O' you who believe! Fear Allah and be with the truthful"
(Quran 9:119)
According to some Sunni Commentaries, "the truthful" means Imam Ali (AS):
Sunni reference:
Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, two reports: one from Ibn Mardawayh by Ibn Abbas and the second
from Ibn Asakir by Abi Ja'far (AS).
This means that people should have feared Allah and should not have separated from Imam Ali (AS) after the demise of Prophet
(PBUH&HF). This unfortunately did not happen at large, and therefore, unfortunate divisions followed it.
With respect to the world al-Siddeeq -- "The Truthful", there are many Sunni narrations in which the Messenger of Allah said:
The Truthful are three: Hazqeel (who was) the believer of the family of Pharaoh (see Quran 40:28), and Habeeb al-Najjar
(who was) the believer of the family of Yaasin (see Quran 36:20), and Ali Ibn Abi Talib who is the most virtuous one among
them (see Quran 9:119)."
Sunni references:
Abu Nu'aym and Ibn Asakir, on the authority of Abu Layla
Ibn al-Najjar, on the authority of Ibn Abbas
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2, pp 192-193
In conclusion, we have shown in this article that the term Shia has been used in Quran for the followers of the great servants of Allah, and in the traditions of the Prophet for the followers of Imam Ali (AS). One who follows such divinely appointed Guide is safe from the disputes in the religion and has grasped the Strong Rope of Allah, and has been given the glad tiding of Paradise.
Side Comments
A Sunni brother wrote: Sunni means the one who follows the traditions (Sunnah) of the Prophet, and this is supported by the following verse
of Quran:
Certainly you have in the Apostle of Allah an excellent exemplar (beautiful pattern of conduct) for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much. (Quran 33:21)
My comment was as follows:
1)In the above verse neither the word "Sunnah" nor any of its derivative has been used. As I mentioned earlier, Allah has used the terminology of "Muslim" in its exact form, letter by letter, in the verse 22:78. Also Allah used the word "Shia" again in exact form in verse 37:83 for the Prophet Abraham. However, Allah never used the words such as "Sunni" or as "Ahlussunnah" for the followers of the Prophet (PBUH&HF).
2)If you say we do not find such exact terminology, but we understand that the Prophet is our pattern, then one may say that Quran testifies that Prophet Abraham (AS) was a pattern for us as well:
"Indeed, there is for you an excellent exemplar (beautiful pattern of conduct) in Abraham..." (Quran 60:4)
Notice that in the above verse, the phrase which has been used for Prophet Abraham (AS) is exactly the same as that of the previous quoted verse used for Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF). That is true for the following verse as well:
Certainly there is for you in them (Abraham and his followers) an excellent exemplar (beautiful pattern of conduct) for him who fears Allah and the last day; and whoever turns back, then surely Allah is the Self-sufficient, the Praised.
(Quran 60:6)
Now please tell us if we can be called a Sunni because we follow Abraham's traditions? Certainly Prophet Muhammad followed the
tradition of Prophet Abraham, yet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) was never called Sunni, as that result. Similarly, Prophet Abraham
followed the traditions of Prophet Noah, but he was never called a Sunni. Quran mentioned that he was a Shia of Noah.
3)The word "Sunnah" has used in Quran to refer to the custom of God and the way Allah conducts the affairs and the rules governing
the universe (Sunnatullah). But here we are discussing the word Sunnah referred to the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and not the rules
governing the universe. As such we are looking for the term such as "Sunnatu Rasoolillah".
4) A word XXXX can be used in two ways:
XXXXX by definition
or
XXXXX by label
All Muslims are Sunni by definition, but only a group of people, which are famous to this name, are Sunni by label. How they got such label needs to be investigated though.
Also, all Muslims are "obedient" by definition, but there is no special group among Muslims who are called "obedient". This shows that having a certain characteristic by definition does not force us to specify such characteristic in our label. In fact, in most cases (not all cases) the label is just a stereotype and does not reflect the real attributes of the holder of such label. Sometime the label is used to allure people to specific version of something which is found in various versions, each of which is claimed to be genuine one, by different groups. As such, it wouldn't be an intelligent practice, in general, to identify the genuineness of something with its label.
Surely, the followers of the Prophet are supposed to follow his Sunnah by definition. But were they called Sunni when Prophet
Muhammad was alive? or even few years after his demise? In other words, the question to be answered is: When did the title
"Ahlussunnah wal Jama'ah" come into existence in the history of Islam for a specific group of Muslims?
dil..dilseee
[This message has been edited by dilse (edited July 24, 1999).]
Shia as you said means "followers" and in quran if it is used i think you are missunderstanding, I think when quran says that shia of moses or shia of any other prophet it mean the followers of that prophet(you agree) it does not make the sect of shia right thing in islam. Mohammad said in hadith there will be 73 sects in Islam and among muslims all of them will go into hell except one of them and that sect will be only who follows what is in quran and hadiths and ways of life of prophet mohammad and his sohabas and people after them tabeen and taba-tabeens.
*if you can provide what shias believe or islam on thire perspectives please do so thanks
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
[This message has been edited by Jaawan (edited August 13, 1999).]
ok
According to my limited knowledge, that saying of "73 sects and 1 will survive" is a hadith, but Jaawan is saying that it is in Quran or a Quranic Ayat....... Would somebody double check that for me.....
Not that it matters to person who believes in "Live and Let live" formula, but just to be curious...
Imranz it is a hadith, sorry i wrote quran there instead of hadith my apologies please!!
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
Jawan brother it is obvious and clear to see that you making mistakes over and over!
and Imranz is right saying that you should go and find the truth yourself!
Shiasm borned the day when ALI (as)opened his eyes in KHANA-e-KABBA........
Shia and sunni are very much similar except for shia believe on ALLAH< QURAN, Porphet and AHL-e-BAYT!
Its the AHL-e-BAYT, which quran ( i dont remmember where) says is TUTHREE!
Imranz bhai If u know where in quran this verse is that plz let JAWAN know!
anyways
gotta go brother
and its pleasent to see the secent way you fellas discussing it........
all the best to every muslim brother
may allah be the hafiz
ameen
Asif :)
Jawan brother it is obvious and clear to see that you making mistakes over and over!
and Imranz is right saying that you should go and find the truth yourself!
Shiasm borned the day when ALI (as)opened his eyes in KHANA-e-KABBA........
Shia and sunni are very much similar except for shia believe on ALLAH< QURAN, Porphet and AHL-e-BAYT!
Its the AHL-e-BAYT, which quran ( i dont remmember where) says is TUTHREE!
Imranz bhai If u know where in quran this verse is that plz let JAWAN know!
anyways
gotta go brother
and its pleasent to see the secent way you fellas discussing it........
all the best to every muslim brother
may allah be the hafiz
ameen
Asif :)
Me making mistakes or not thats not the question here! Muslim is a person who does what allah has order him to do in quran and lives the life as prophet mohammad and his followers did! Muslim should follow what is in quran and hadith and NOT creat new things in Islam!!!
We should look at what is right and NOT on who has the best reply here or who is closest to your expectations!!!
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
For GOD sake jawan!
get a life!
U dont know shit
so better just buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz offfffffffffffffffffff
will ya!
Please read this book: "Then I Was Guided" by Mohammed Tijani who was a Tunisian Sunni man who became a Shia after constant research into al-Bukhari's and Imam Malik Muttawi's books.