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Id agree unity is IMPOSSIBLE Nor do we want unity with haters of the Prophets (pbuh) beloved sahabies.
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As if Shias asre dying to have unity with those who venerate and lick the feet of those shameless ones who cursed, hated and faught Ahlulbayt [as]? Again, the differences are there, the talks of unity are coming from the elements within both sides just for the sake of Ummah as a whole.
Thats what all this discussion is about, what esle have you been thinking uptil now?
Yeah, I had taken note of your “enough knowledge” from your Muharram comment.
As I stated, the Nasibi website you are referring to time and again has already been refuted by Answering-Ansar.org and all of its lies and cope-paste stuff has already been exposed, so no need to refer me to a obsolete web.
Oh yeah as if you are talking to a Sunni kid desperate to blindly learn few ‘responses’ that needs to be given to a Shia right? Dear, had you ever bothered to check into your books you would have come to know that nothing was misnderstanding, Prophet [s] had already predicted everything:
- That the horns of Satan will come out from the house of Ayesha
- The Ayesha will get herself into controvery with ali bin Abi Talib [as] while the former being on the wrong path and later on the right.
- The rebellion of Ayesha will be accompanied by infidels.
- The sign of Ayesha being on wrong path will be that the dogs of Hawab will bark at her.
All of these are written in black and white in Sunni books, you dont try to fool others by your usual “sudden accident” theory.
I never asked you to apologize for grammar while English is not my firtst language either.
Wow. So now you people are eager to call the Hadith of Prophet as ‘foolish logic’ just because you are adamant to defend the enemies of Ali bin Abi Talib [as]. Has you ever bthered to check the Sunni Hadiths, you would have come to know that one who abuse, curse, hurts or fight Ahlulbayt [as] - Ali bin Abi Talib in particular, he/she himself/herself is cursed, hated by Allah and His Prophet [s]. Prophet [s] did not narrate this in vain, it had some meanings.
Same Aeysha has also been condemned in Holy Quran and has been wraned that if she could have been replaced by a wife of Holy Prophet [s] who would be:
- Better than her
- Who submits
- And who believes [Surah Tahrim]
She was warned that if she did something contrary to the injunctions of Islam, her punishment will be double. I am surprised you did not mention these facts yet you relied on a verse which at no place ‘particularly’ praised Ayesha but was revealed in connection to a particular incident of Ikf to make it clear that the wife of the Prophet of Islam was not adulterer, as this propaganda was being used by Kufaar and was detrimental for Islam - by asserting that Prophet who teraches righteous things is himself accompanied by a characterless wife [nauzobillah] , thus Allah saved Prophet from the false accusations of raised by Sahaba on her dignity. The verse at no where gave guarantee that Ayesha will be a good wife and a good women. That is why, as I mentioned, Quran later admonished her.
Thats the double standards that your sect has been following. To us, only one could be on the right path, we DONOT and CANNOT use “RA” for both the opressor and the opressed, killer and the diseased, we cannot sail into two boats at a time, either there or here. For us, the instructions of Holy Prophet [s] to adhere to Ahlulbayt [as] and the predictions made by Him [s] as to who will be on the wrong path and who will be on the right path are sufficient .
Tommorow you will claim that both Nimrod and Ibrahim, Musa and Firown etc were right in ther respective postiions. I have already pointed out the illogical stance that your school adhere to by sailing into two boats at a time.
Sure, you had started it and I felt it was my duty to defend my faith from the propaganda, otherwise you will never find me opning a thread or in any other way initiating such debates.
This shows you never bothered to read my post carefully. I had highlited the facts that the requirement of unity comes with the two faiths are ‘diofferent’ it never comes with both schools are identical.
Ok if you want to toa that line of argument, then be it:
You people have six different Kalimas - i.e. different to us, hence unacceptable to us.
We can prove our method of Wuzu and prayers fro myour own books while you cannot do the same from our books this shows onus is on you to prove your own mnethods of Wuzu, prayers etc first and according to our Fiqh, it doesnt even fulfil thee minimum conditions needed to be valid.
Your Namaz is also different and cannot be proved from our books, hence unaccetable to us.
As for your comment on cursing sahaba after every namaz, you made my point more clear that what you have been doing uptil now is reading Naasibi literature.
You people are scared of remaining hungry for the sake of Allah and thus open fast quite later than our timings and also get so much tiried that you break the fast so early than the required time, that is unacceptable to us.
If you had time to swtich from Nasibi literature from orthodox Sunni one, you would have come to know that accorindg to Sunni text, there can and there are people infallible other than Prophets also.
Of course, thats why we are two different schools of thought, if everything was alike, we would we be two different sects?
When Prophet had die, Ayesha was beating her face like crazy woman. And as for whole words looking at us with amazment, that shows the reallity of your Iman, you are there to make the word happy, thats what you care, you are not concerned with the intention and the fact behind commemoration of Ashura.
Yeah dont worry, they ware not for the biased ones.
Hadith Bukhari: Nabi Pak said:
There you go, this is the comment which comes from hardcore Nasibi elements which I like the most because this is the one which shows their double standards.
Okay so dont revile the companions right? I will wait for your Fatwa of Kufr on all those who reviled Ali bin Abi Talib who happened to be your fourth caliph as well as a prominent Sahabi of course???
Reviling is a level below than to kill or attempt to kill some Sahabi, I willwait for your Fatwa of Kufr on those who hated, cursed, and even “faught” your fourth caliph who also happened to a prominent Sahabi.
I am dead sure, uptil Qyamah I m not going to see such a Fatwa from you people just because you have coinned the strange belief according to which ‘each and every Sahabi is respected and to be followed’ . Those who coinned this belief for you, they forgot that there was a major loopwhole in the belief as Sahaba themselves been hating,cursing and fighting against eachother.
Thank you for drawing a margin between:
- Hz Ali and Fatima Zahra [as] and their Shias
- Abu Bakar, Umar, Ayesha and ther Sunnies
By giving the example, you have yuorself said a lot of things, indirectly.
Forget it, who cares, we have been living since centuries without any unity, doesnt really matter for future as well.
Oh yeah, you prove me that the Kalima which we recite “was sent down” by Nabi Paak? can you please do so? Are you even aware of the concept of Kalima?
Yeah, but if we introduce Taraweeh, Tasweeb, and change the form of prayers, that is acceptable right??
I did not know the Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim were fake books.
I have seen since years people like you who get excited on reading Naasibi literature, son never ever try to use those deceitful tactics with me and I will open up with plethora of references by ginving online links from your websites.
Since Ahmedies are the off shoot of Sunni school of thought, and why not the element of blaspheme of Prophet [s] are in common in both, [remember the Prophet talking ‘nonsense’ accusastion?] so you are advised to ‘remain’ with your new off shsots.